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Cmon guys, this is c/memes and not c/politics yet you make it look like we're in a fucking civil war lol

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[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This site is in the process of fighting its own culture war. You have the hardcore communists, anarchists and tankies who were here the longest, and the meme page is on one of their original domains (the ml in lemmy.ml is supposed to stand for marxist-leninist ). And then you have the twitter and reddit refugees who in general lean more center left, liberal, or libertarian. ml was the domain that was advertise the most to people on reddit, and world was where people were directed to once ml's sign ups were limited.

memes@lemmy.ml is kinda going throught the gaybar effect with the influx of redditors. Like sometimes when a gaybar gets popular, it attracts non-queer customers, who tell their friends, who invite their friends, to the point the original queer customer base gets crowded out. I imagine that's what the marxist-leninist community base is feeling now that a lot of former redditors call their instance home, and their meme page is the defacto meme community of lemmy.

As long as the mods here allow it, and as long as people keep upvoting, this problem isn't going away, no matter how many complaint memes get posted. The best solution I can think of is boost other meme pages on different instances, maybe with mod teams that are more willing to keep the page apolitical (which is hard to do in general cause everyone's definition of political is different.) kbin has a fairly large meme community that could use some more love, same with memes@sopuli.xyz. Hell, considering most users are from world or shitjustworks, I'm surprise I don't see their local meme pages get more use.

[–] Zyratoxx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Some claim .ml stands for marxist-leninist, some claim Dessa didn't choose it for that purpose. Personally idk but I'm mentally preparing for another round of this debate :')

[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Considering what is known about lemmy, its creators, and the original instances, it seems to hold up. But regardless of the true meaning of ml, the political leanings of lemmy.ml were very far left before the reddit migration, and I feel that's the reason why you see such an aggressive presence of communist memes on ml's meme page.

[–] cannot@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My first account on Lemmy got banned for suggesting that ml was for marxist-leninist even though it clearly is.

Like why do you think Lemmygrad, the explicitly tankie instance, chose the same domain? Coincidence?

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"My source is I made it the fuck up"

[–] cannot@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

My source is not being a fucking idiot. Yes, the guys with the Mao and Castro avatars whose entire personality is being MLs just chose that domain by chance. Jfc you are either so dumb or so disingenuous.

[–] jay@lemmy.sotu.casa 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm kind of shocked that ml is marxist-leninist. I thought it was Malaysia or something

[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The domain is, but the reason they chose the domain is because it shares the initials of marxist-leninist.

[–] jay@lemmy.sotu.casa 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, makes sense. Are all two letters TLDs countries (I kinda always assumed they were)?

[–] Uvine_Umbra@partizle.com 2 points 1 year ago

At least in Latin script it looks like yeah (just looked at a list)

[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I think most are, such as jp for Japan, or ca for canada. I'm not a web designer though.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

The domain is from Mali, which was chosen for cost reasons.

[–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

the ml in lemmy.ml is supposed to stand for marxist-leninist

That's not true. It was chosen because it was a cheap/free TLD.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you don't want to see politics just elect me and I promise I will handle everything for your sweet little head. Just keep playing with your toys now, no I earned all this money.

[–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

If we burn you in the town square, do we get the same benefits?

[–] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago

But but... you have to kill your landlord and your employer. Please. image of pig pooping on its balls

[–] halvar@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I totally agree and I find it weird that some people (very loudly) don't. You can make a community for it, but right now this one is the largest general community for people who just want to laugh and politics sometimes can make me cry.

[–] Zyratoxx@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, I wouldn't care if it was occasionally (1/20 or 1/30), but it's more like 1/3 and always the same sub narratives and the same people joining in with their pre-written comments they already used in 5 memes or so. And I don't want to tackle someone specifically as I have seen various examples on all political sides.

And it's not that I'm apolitical. I just don't think I need to convince anyone that my personal beliefs are the only correct ones out there. Our fundamental views and beliefs are being shaped by our environment and our personal experiences alongside many other factors. You may have certainly had other experiences in life than me and that's perfectly fine.

Sometimes when seeing a political comment I'm thinking about only replying "Cool 👍" regardless of whether I agree or not... Better than writing half an essay wasting another hour of valuable life time for literally nothing.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's especially awesome how Americans won't shut the fuck up about their godawful politics. I so sick of hearing about trump.

[–] Zyratoxx@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Fuck it, this one time imma say sth:

Ah yes, now decide between unelectable and literally unelectable

[–] sneezymrmilo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love this take. I feel very similarly and understand that everyone has their own reasons for their political beliefs. But at the end of the day, politics are usually just depressing and I just wana laugh at some funny, non-policical memes.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the best politicised meme is this one

[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Its got what plants crave.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like this meme. That's a nice meme

[–] Zyratoxx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks kind Lemming :D

[–] cleverusername@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Every community on every platforms has the same problem; very frustrating!

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is this where we say all the NATO nations are Nazis and that Putin is just trying to save Ukraine from them? From what I gather it's appropriate to make anti-west, pro china/Russia comments everywhere. When the yuan hits my account I just start blasting.

[–] 1984 5 points 1 year ago

Lots of keyboard warriors. :)

[–] BeefDaddySupreme@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

They usually lean a certain way too...

[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Perhaps the tankies are making you question some deeply held beliefs you have and that’s making you uncomfortable?

It’s easy to dismiss most of their rhetoric, I do as well (I.e. running people over with tanks is a bad idea), but it’s harder to ignore the fact we have a significant portion of the value of our labour taken by capitalists.

[–] TheBigMike@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They have brought up some good points, but the good points they make are over shadowed by the whole genocide denial and "dunking on libs".

The following example is not meant to represent hexbear users, but to show an example of how I could see it.

Think of a fascist who brings up some good examples of modern problems in about 1/10 of their messages, while the rest are talking about how Mussolini was actually good, since he brought up the living standard in Italy and expanded the public sector. And when someone brings up the bad things Mussolini did, the fascist just says "It's clearly western propaganda".

You wouldn't want to read their messages, since they are full of this fascist apologetic garbage, and the good points they bring up are ignored because of their other opinions.

It doesn't matter how good willed your opinions are if no one wants to associate with you.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 8 points 1 year ago

Exactly this.

I've told them this before. I agree with them on about 60% of the stuff they believe. But they are really, really hung up on the genocide apologetics. I've tried reasoning with them, but I don't think it's going to happen. I'm pretty sure they banned me haha

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