OMG guys americabad amirite
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This could apply to any number of countries and it's getting kinda tedious. It's like a bunch of American teenagers just learned that their history books aren't telling the whole story and literally cannot stop talking about it. You hit college level history, congratulations, good for you champ.
More likely it's a bunch of Kremlin and CCP LLMs spreading hate.
I dare you to read through my profile to see how unique half of what I write is. I post this type of thing all the time because we are WAGE SLAVES to a terrorist empire that makes the nazis look cute and ethical. The ones attacking this type of message are the unoriginal LLM bots. Not saying you in particular.
edit: I don't know the exact toll, so lets say the Nazis killed 30 million. You shouldn't assume that the American empire isn't worse just because you haven't learned about whats the US has done. There are active genocides and historic ones they have massively been involved with(or orchestrated). Lot's of wars without valid cause, and economic murder.
Not only is that statement extremely hyperbolic, it's deeply offensive to victims of the Nazis
We have a current blockade, sanctions and war against Yemen to prevent their oil sales, which are at Saudi Arabian levels of "easy to extract and mass sell". The US war fleet that was parked out there(don't know if it still is) was preventing them physically from exporting oil to buy food. This is one small example of the active genocides the US is leading or has led. They had involvement in the Indonesian genocide, Cambodian genocide and I really cant be bothered citing more.
Sanctions in general impoverish and kill many. They are a type of light economic mass murder.
Just the covid deaths from conservative leadership adds to the death toll of capitalism under the American empire.
FYI I'm against China and Russia too, but I realise I'm being deceived heavily and can only hold superficial views.
Edit: I didn't address it. I have more respect to the victims of Nazis than you can comprehend. I don't think what Nazis did is little, I think what we actively do and did, is MUCH WORSE.
I really cant be bothered citing more
You haven't cited anything. You've made reference to them at best. Saying a thing is not citing it.
Sanctions in general impoverish and kill many. They are a type of light economic mass murder.
So then things like Russia sanctions are bad too? If so what do you suggest as an alternative? If not when do you draw the line?
I think what we actively do and did, is MUCH WORSE.
You made that clear, but you didn't really express how. Have we been responsible for more death? More negative impact to lives? If that, how is it measured? Does it make a difference how much time it has been going on? If we've killed less per year is that better?
If one guy kills your family in front of you, but the other pokes you with a needle every day of your life, who do you have stronger feelings about? Who is the bigger villain?
Yes, America has a history of being terrible, and it doesn't look like it's stopping any time soon, but it's just the most obvious, current bad guy. That doesn't make it the biggest in history or now. That doesn't excuse current practices, but it also doesn't mean hyperbole (real or perceived) is going to help you.
I'm not going to reply to new lines of thought, I don't feel you replied to anything I have said in good faith.
For example, misusing the word "citation" isn't noteworthy, but yes I misused it, pretend I said mention or reference. You didn't respond to the US artificial famine in Yemen that is active today at all.
I didn't anticipate you talking about Russian or Chinese sanctions and wasn't thinking that way. I don't think sanctions against Russia or China are good or bad, I have no opinion because of the massive propaganda that's too hard to sift through.
I was mentioning sanctions in regard to oil rich nations like Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Yemen. Just like the non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the wars and sanctions that I have looked into more, are clearly to prevent oil sales at the expense of starving children and causing unneeded suffering.
I don't feel you replied to anything I have said in good faith.
That's fine. I don't feel like you're here in good faith either, so I guess we're on equal footing.
misusing the word "citation" isn't noteworthy
I disagree. It's a misrepresentation. These are common in your rhetoric, like your position on sanctions, but we'll get to those in a moment.
You didn't respond to the US artificial famine in Yemen that is active today at all.
Or any other genocide the US has participated in, but you choose to specifically call out this one.
I didn't anticipate you talking about Russian or Chinese sanctions and wasn't thinking that way.
Then perhaps you should be more careful with your language choices. You said sanctions are bad, but these ones aren't. Yet you didn't address where the line is for you, despite just admitting these ones aren't bad. Whether they're good or not is, presently, immaterial.
I was mentioning sanctions in regard to oil rich nations
No, you mentioned sanctions. You may have intended to be more specific, but you weren't. No one else knows what is in your mind so if you want to discuss things in a productive manner you need to be able to do effectively. Saying one thing and meaning another is not that.
the wars and sanctions that I have looked into
Are not the entirety of the wars and sanctions that have been taken. If I judge you only by your worst actions would that be fair? This is by no means a claim that the US is any one thing or another, but pointing out that you can't pick and choose when you're trying to make a judgement of morality.
at the expense of starving children and causing unneeded suffering.
I will point you at any international policing action ever. Do you think innocent German children in the 1940s felt no repercussions from the war? The same question works in the 19-teens and following. Whether they're right or not, unless you've got a better solution, they are, on occasion, necessary. Innocent have suffered because of the actions of the powerful, both above them and against those above them, for as long as there have been people. In the words of John Lennon, "you say you've got a real solution? We'd all live to see the plan".
I don't know where you'll separate new lines of thought from existing ones. I frankly don't care. You can reply to everything or nothing. It's more important that you come to understand you do not have the position you appear to think you do. I doubt you'll get there today, but I hope you can at some point.
Edgy.
Had to check to make sure I wasn't on Reddit again.
Hah
I had to check too cause "americabadamirite" complaints are basically peak Reddit since the Digg migration and shortly after.
Before then, I feel like I remember it being a lot less defensive about people daring to...criticize America
Well yeah… in lots of ways.
Good in others, as an Australian who traveled there the average American is great. I just think you’ve been intentionally fragmented and manipulated. So there are large groups of people who want their country to change but cannot seem to find common ground and band together to strengthen those ideas.
Then you have such powerfully rich and crazy groups that seem to be able to rule the narrative
There's a huge difference between "lol le dum fat burger chez merica" and commentary about the history of the country and the patterns, systems, and dark truths that made it what it is today. Is there any one element in this meme that you'd argue is false?
War we are pretty bad at it. Like the last time we actually tried we nuked Japan twice. We couldn't even take over Vietnam since Nixon had a hardon for mao and didn't want to make him angry. Or that time the un told us not to make an irradiated cobalt dmz in Korea so we ended up with whatever the fuck is going on now.
We are also pretty bad capitalists, unless chronyism is capitalism?
We are also pretty bad at genocides unless we are dragging up stuff from over 100 years ago?
Also, we learned about the genocide of the natives in high school, and this topic is written about extensively by American academics, and I can order books about it freely. Meanwhile, the world's autocrats build entire generations around denying fundamental history until they've twisted themselves in such circles that they need to censore entire portions of the internet to keep up the charade.
Peak tankie bullshit
Can you define tankie? Because I don't think that word means what you think it means
Authoritarianism leftists are tankies. To be fair they are pretty much the same as authoritarianism rightists. They both want to abolish liberalism before they duke it out over economic models.
You are right about the definition of tankies. People forget that views can be shared by varied groups. Pretty much liberals and to their left would agree with this message.
? Liberalism is an updown issue not a left right issue? You can be economically right and be a liberal...
I struggled to understand at first. You are talking in terms from the messed up 2 axis political compass thing? Ideologies have positions in simplified lists and axis, but you have to be careful of oversimplifying them. That system to me is propaganda to deligitimise groups like my own(anarcho-pacifist). The opposite of totalitarianism is anarchism. Libertarianism got co-opted, it used to be anarchism and is now the totalitarianism of capitalism with the smallest government.
Liberals if you want to put it that way, are pro-capitalist, relatively socially progressive. I think the standard left/right thing messes up the tankie position, which makes this quadrant thing even more awkward.
Sorry for the messy answer. Feeling a bit tired and wanted to answer you
I think you captured what I was saying pretty well. On a 4 axis model up is totalitarian, down is anarchism, left is economic left and right is economic right. And I agree it's over simplified still but I hate looking at the world as just left and right since it leads to the big bad.
I think that system is great for helping people to think more and discuss more about it, but calling the down axis in the common political compass Libertarianism, which now means something else is the part that bothers me.
To an anarchist, the standard left/right axis is really status quo(authoritarianism). When you merge both axis into what I just described you see it fits in many ways scarily cleanly, and the other things don't really matter as much, but are still important(economic: capitalism vs socialism). In other words tankies and fascists score high right wing, and liberals are more progressive etc. I think tankies are just socialists co-opted by oligarchs the same way that Hitler co-opted a bunch of socialists.
Politics is confusing, and our oligarchs intentionally make it more-so.
I mean I don't want to argue but there is an economic right and left and they can exist under anarchism. But I think it kind of matters less on the extreme anarchism side like how fascism and Communism both start looking the same on the extremes. I like this test since it breaks the parts out more. Rather than like a 2 or 4 sided axis.
There are no economic right views under anarchism. Just oligarch PR stunts co-opting us. You will see anything resembling right wing lunacy near Anarchism is just the same idea "Capitalism but with less powerful government" e.g. Libertarian and Anarcho-Capitalist.
I prefer not to use weird apps/websites or oversimplifications unless its rooted in a concept we can discuss. The standard left/right axis is already controversial enough I think. Right wing effectively means pro-capitalist, and left means anti-capitalist.
It's nice that you are thinking and talking about it though. And civilly. Most don't even try anymore >_>
Thanks for the chat.
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Eh this is one of those times that a broken tankie clock is correct
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You know. I would try to fight this as a statement if we did not put in our constitution that slavery is fine for prisoners.
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Obviously those things (except capitalism and some wars) are bad, but literally every country has a history of essentially the same thing.
Obviously all those things ~~(except capitalism and some wars)~~ are bad
Ftfy
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you mean the united military budget of 50 3 world countries
Or 10-11 top military leading countries in the world?
Murica 💩
The US has capitalism? Seems pretty regulated by people bought by corporations to me.
That's...capitalism. In a profit-seeking society, there's no greater profit than taking control of the society's government. There's no such thing as "crony capitalism" if that is what you are referring to. It's all a part of the game. Any sufficiently powerful company will eventually attempt to manipulate the law and regulations for their own gain.
The Soviet Union is basically what it would look like if a single corporation managed to completely take over society and push out all competition. That's why some people argue that it was a type of society known as "state capitalist", instead of communist, since they never actually did away with money, class, or hierarchy.
Another good example would be "Buy-N-Large" from the movie "Wall-E", although from reading the backstory on them, it seems like a more benevolent entity than we would expect from such a monopoly. Faced with declining profits from a failing economy and environment due to their grip on it, they implemented a system of universal income so that they could continue to have customers. They slowly became the world government and effectively operated as one.
Brave
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