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It can go one of a few ways.

  1. Apart from the few subs that remain offline, it'll basically be back to normal. Those that do remain offline indefinitely just get forcibly reopened or recreated by admins, especially huge subreddits like /r/videos. Smaller ones just get redicted to /r/topicnew or some other creative name.

  2. A lot of subreddits and more importantly moderators and users leave the site permanently. In order for this to happen however, there'd have to be a consensus alternative, which there isn't ATM. Otherwise, these communities are pretty much lost forever unless the mods put a message to go to X alternative service in the "subreddit is private" banner. Tbh, I don't think people are gonna stomach losing years of their lives in an instant so they'll just re create subreddits unless the mods provide an alternative.

No matter what though, they're not backing down on the effective removal of the API (still leaving the sneaky clause "you can pay us if you want but it'll be a king's ransom" for AI, even though they can just trawl the web manually lol). They'll probably announce some crappy customization features to hoodwink those who don't know what an API is and lie to them and say it's "API v2" or whatever.

I just honestly don't know how it's going to shake out and I'm scared im going to lose these communities. I don't give a single solitary fuck about Reddit the company anymore, and I never did really. I just hope all of the subreddits find a new home and don't just shrug their shoulders and say "welp, guess that's it guys".

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[–] Megaf@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can actually see plenty of people and communities permanently migrating over to Lemmy instances. Some are actually creating their very own federated Lemmy instances.

So now, for those who created their own instances, there will be no more censoring and imposing from a higher organization.

I don't see why to not use Fediverse, Mastodon apps are great already, and Lemmy apps are getting updated and improved as we speak.

Yes, the web front-end still needs work, and yes, Lemmy still lacks in some features, but that is being worked on as we speak, and I believe that some of the users migrating over, are devs, that will actually help to improve Lemmy, which is Open Source. So, if there's a feature you'd like Lemmy to have, just open a Pull Request!

[–] breakerfall@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think the web front-end works great, actually. Better than reddit (old.reddit, at least).

Works great as a PWA, too.

[–] jcb2016@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I mode 3 subs on reddit. my biggest is 75k but i only get like 4 post a day from my biggest sub. It's a big sub to me. we went dark on the 12th I checked reddit yesterday quickly and looked like in mod-mail I had a join request. I can only hope that Reddit takes notice of us and changes it's tune. Lemmy is awesome and I hope it gets better and surpasses Reddit

[–] silversnow__@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you cant really return to normalcy from this, but i dont think most users care. whenever i get into a casual convo about the fediverse online, the general consensus from people is 'yeah reddit isnt going to die, i'll stay on reddit for my communities'. so if the majority think reddit isn't going to die and continue using the site, it probably wont die! it'll just go back to normal with a few million less users (which actually isnt that much for a big site) unless spez hilariously fucks up

really the fediverse is just a lot of people who like tech at the end of the day, not the average web user

[–] markipol@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately yeah :/ a few people I've talked to support the blackout but have never heard of Lemmy or the fediverse and presumably have no alternative

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[–] beef_curds@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

If it's like mastodon, most people will get bored and move back to reddit. Lemmy will grow marginally, and be more ready for the next stress test.

There will be other reddit outrages after the ipo, and lemmy will be more ready for migration. Repeat. Hopefully there's a critical mass one day, but there's no guarantee.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why did anybody expect reddit to back down on this. Unless reddit loses a significant portion of its user base then they have no reason to care. Currently, there really isn't any viable alternative infrastructure that could absorb millions of new users. People are going to make a fuss for a bit, but if they enjoyed using reddit before then they'll come back to using it sooner or later.

Frankly, I don't know why people keep fixating on this. I've been using Lemmy for over three years. I use it because I enjoy the community here, and I don't really think about what reddit is or isn't doing.

[–] Nollij@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The blackout was to show numbers- it was not a small minority of users that cared, but rather a significant majority. Pissing off most of your users, especially your most active users, is generally a bad business move.

The real question is what people will do on July 1. Will those same users cave and switch to the official app? Reddit is counting on most users doing that, or at least enough to make it a profitable move. I personally will not.

I will only see Reddit when it comes up from a Google search, and will not get involved in the conversations. Some of my communities are already permanently dead, and others severely weakened. But others are fine, since most users there are already on the official app.

As the quality drops, more people leave, and fewer people join. Reddit could cease to be a central hub and become more niche. It could also turn into a cesspool. There are some signs that neo-nazis and otherwise shitty people will take over, not unlike we are seeing with Twitter. Or it could all blow over, and this was all just a bump in the road for Reddit.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I guarantee you that vast majority of users will use the official app because they're addicted to reddit. There is no readily available alternative around, and after some grumbling most people will go back to it. None of these protests really work unless there is a viable alternative available.

Reddit could cease to be a central hub, that's not going to happen any time in the foreseeable future. However, I still don't see why people keep perseverating over reddit. At the end of the day why does it matter. Lemmy exists, it works fine and people who really want to break from reddit have that option now. Whether majority of people does so or not doesn't really matter all that much to me.

[–] waspentalive@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Personally, I will only be going back to Reddit if I need help with some specific thing and I can't find it in Lemmy anywhere. And only for that thread.

[–] Jezebelley@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's going to end with a relatively small reddit exodus with most returning to reddit in a few weeks. People are lazy, and will concede to the API changes just like they all did with Twitter. Remember when Musk took over and made all those dramatic changes heavily monetizing the platform? Everyone was crying how Twitter will die and that they were all quitting. Well guess what? Almost all of them went back to Twitter anyway and now use the official app just like Musk wanted. Reddit will be no different sadly.

[–] a_m@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit is different from Twitter. You stay in Twitter for famous accounts, not for the communities like Reddit. If enough of people (especially mods and power users) actually move to another place, Reddit will slowly die. The community-based approach of the fediverses I think works well with immigrants Redditors

[–] mibzman@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I've been off Twitter and on mastodon for a long time now so take this with a grain of salt.

November changed mastodon forever. It's 5-10x more active with a much broader userbase. Sure it's gotten quieter than it was in December, but it went from 'weird nerd twitter' to 'small social media'.

The events of this month have brought lemmy from 'alpha demo of activitypub groups' to 'weird nerd reddit'

[–] hackitfast@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here's my take, I grabbed it from my reddit comment, it's slightly out of context so excuse that:

I do think reddit will continue to function, but its communities and services will undoubtedly begin to change following July 1st as users begin to shift to different platforms like Lemmy, Kbin, and Squabbles.

And don't think that as reddit aims for quarterly growth, they won't try to pull more shit on their users. It's only a matter of time before reddit is an amalgamation of Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.

RPAN probably failed because either nobody wanted to use their first party app, or were using old.reddit.com. RPAN was their first attempt at reddit trying to "catch the waves" of services like YouTube Shorts, TikTok, and Instagram Reels. The most recent r/place was the second attempt at getting people to use their mobile app.

Expect reddit to keep adding "trend catching" features over the next year or so while you're confined to reddit.com without RES, and reddits mobile app. Unfortunately, reddit will eventually it will be a shell of what reddit once was, and the users that choose to stay will be the ones willing to put up with their shit.

So yes, of course the point is to make money! Though it will almost always be poorly reflected on its users, and they'll go any length to make sure they're doing just enough to keep you here but not enough for you to want to leave. Users will make their decision to stay or leave over the coming months as you see this "enshiftification".

Here's a good article on this, it's very interesting:

https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

[–] Fixtor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We already tried to move to Voat in 2015 and it... didn't turn out very well...

I think if the Apollo dev actually releases an Apollo-based app for Lemmy then we might get a chance.

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[–] amcjv12@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I unfortunately think 1 is the most likely, at least for now. A one-time disruption won't be enough to sink Reddit. What could permanently change things is the sustained build-up of viable alternatives over time. So I guess you can look at the blackout stuff not as the end for Reddit, but maybe the canary in the coal mine for a gradual descent.

[–] Silverhand@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit was never going to just shut down overnight, but it's more or less done for me (barring some sudden change with the API stuff, but even then I'd make an effort to use it less). I'll keep my account around and might occasionally go to it to look up specific things or visit more niche communities that don't have much of a presence here or on other alternatives yet, but I'm done with just generally browsing reddit or providing any content for them. I'm enjoying it here and hope the boost in activity allows for continued growth and filling out of communities for more specific topics.

[–] Fish89@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit has pissed me off with this move and I hope this decision of theirs kills the value of the company and scares investors away. Money is the only thing they care about so hopefully they feel the sting. The loss of Apollo really upsets me and I’m hoping that maybe the developer will consider building a Lemmy app.

[–] haelusnovak@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do I think this ends? I think it won't matter to their bottom line. Although I am happy with the participation thusfar, Reddit benefits not only from the current use, but the redirecrion from every Google search toward Reddit. Unless moderators deleted the content before they leave (idk if even possible), the impact is but a blink in a profit report. And the CEO will use their stability as a personal reinforcement.

That said, good riddance, I don't want those willing to stay to be a part of communities I'm in anyway. So far the new life here on Lemmy seems to be very cooperative and positive-- I hope this is maintained.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We run ads on Reddit to get a few suckers to use our apps. Our ad campaigns the past 2 days have sucked, so much that we started using Google AdWords again. That's permanent damage to Reddit's income, since a portion of our advertising budget has been redirected.

You're right, this will change anything major, but it's nice to know there will be a small ripple.

(And yes, Google isn't "better than Reddit", but an exitory ripple is the main point)

[–] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago
[–] dethmetaljeff@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For me, it's no more reddit on mobile but I'm not blocking it any time soon. If it's a Google result, so be it, there's still useful content over there.

[–] Scout339@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

This is what most people fail to understand. The information that has amassed on Reddit is important, yet they turn so much of it to private, some indefinitely. A proper solution would be to permanently be read-only, and have it be very easy to see "hey, new posts are now on Lemmy, feel free to post there" so that you have a permanent cripple to Reddit's userbase, and you don't burn the library to "stick it to the man".

[–] DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think a consensus alternative is necessarily required. It might be best for the masses to be split amongst the many alternatives giving each one an opportunity to grow, improve and potentially rise up as a result of this event. I for one will not be using Reddit at all except for very specific sources of information which I will probably just scrape and store offline anyway.

I also like the concept of fediverse instances being local, meaning the internet is becoming truly more physically decentralized with local home based servers providing a base for local user registration and content creation/consumption. This has the potential for users to start 'filtering' their online experience to content created by the people in their local communities versus just a vast pool of global users.

[–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure I'm on board with joining a local instance. I live in a very conservative and religious country and I don't want to feel the need to censor myself on any community out of fear of having the instance admin ban my account because of differing beliefs. I'm sure it would work better for some than global instances, but I'm afraid they'd be prone to conformity and even nationalism.

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