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[–] ech@lemm.ee 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

One person cannot be smarter in every single subject than every single teacher that the kid would ever have.

This is the bit about homeschooling I'll never get. Yes, a good chunk of a child's education will be done by general educators that a competent parent could probably expect to compare to, but going into middle and high school or it's equivalent, these teachers are focused and experienced in a single subject far more than a parent could ever hope to be. Unless the public school is absolutely trash, it seems like a disservice to their children, tbh.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's also the element of life experience to consider. One of my history teachers in high school was a former sergeant in the Army and fought in Vietnam, and hearing stories of historical events from the people who lived them is of immeasurable educational value.

[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Also the most likely way to hear biased opinions told as fact

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

In some cases, yes, but being exposed to several dozens of learned people's perspectives over the course of twelve years of study is invaluable in learning HOW to think and consider information.

Further, having a biased teacher for one term is infinitely less impactful negatively than being stuck with two biased parents who actively conceal information from you over the course of 18 years.

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago

No different than the parent doing the same thing?

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

I would argue that it's important for them to hear biased opinions told as facts. That turns into a teaching moment when the parent can go over what their kid learned and point on that everyone is a little bias so it's important to remember that when you are listening to them.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

And frankly that's like the best case scenario. Like that myopic view of homeschooling is the best you can have it get with homeschooling. There's a whole another end of the spectrum it involves straight up Nazis and child abuse and child slavery and just so much depression and sadness.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

I’m not sure I get the arguments based around better education quality. One of the primary controllable determinants of a child’s educational attainments is parental involvement. Spend a couple of hours with the kid going over their homework and helping them stay a chapter ahead, and I bet the kid would not only be academically successful but also socialized.

Also, a lot of school systems have a fast track learning program for gifted students. You might have to shop around for a school with one if you’re in a low population area, but I think that driving your kid for 45m to a STEM high school probably takes less time than lesson prep and teaching.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

the only reason everyone's all screwed up is just that nobody sat down and really micromanaged their child's education enough.

That's the line that described every homeschooling advocate I've ever met.

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

As a product of homeschooling exclusively, can confurm.

[–] CounselingTechie@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago

Fully agree with this, having known both parents who homeschooled their children, and the children who were homeschooled. To put it bluntly, I have seen the trauma that many of the children have in how they are controlled and the emotional abuse that their homeschooling did to them because it was their parents controlling every aspect of their life. Now, with the parents, I also shall say the harsh fact that the majority of the parents I know that want to homeschool are the types who want to decide for themselves what their "little genius" will become, creating an entitled image of what they will make their children become, and will not permit anything that isn't their image. The child is not allowed to actually develop.

And I'll say that as a parent.

[–] pius_q_bird@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago

As a former homeschooler i get what he's saying paritally, there are a lot of those what i call "extreme helicopter parents" in the community. But there are other reasons to do it. I was discriminated against by my local public school. In the days before the 2004 IDEA extensions went into effect. We couldn't afford to sue, so homeschooling was our only recourse.

The district was finally sued into submission in 2016. My parents and i both agree it wasn't the best situation. When i got to college i was like years ahead in English/humanities but had to take remedial math for three years . I took six years on a four year degree because of the unevenness of my skillset

And this was before the internet got big so you'd often get Fundamentalist Christian propaganda by mistake. And not realize it until the book blamed the flappers for the great depression for example. The authors were good at hiding their biases, until they got to 20th century history and then they just lost the plot

That was actually the best educational moment of those years.. Mom read that and was like "Oh Shit..." And then my Dad turned it into a lesson in how to spot bias in sources. And mom dumped a bunch of first wave feminism on me.

But this poster confuses one particularly loud segment of the community with the whole thing,

And we as a community may eventually need the liberal homeschooling laws, if the US gets more authoritarian with book banning and limiting what teachers can say and such.

So i hesitate to endorse this, even though i get it

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Isn't it good for us the victims of crapitalism? Less competition and more chances of getting jobs with the homeschooled people out of the way :(

[–] BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

"pastors" see there's your problem.