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I have to get this off my chest (nicotine pouches) (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by Persen@lemmy.world to c/autism@lemmy.world
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I posted this here, as I am autistic and would rather get an autistic people's experience. To clarify, I was never worried of what I would consider weak drug addiction (niccotine, caffeine, etc), but I never did drugs, because I considered them unhealthy (lung, other kinds of cancer). Upto highschool I was surrounded by stereotypes against drugs, so I always pictured them as misunderstood and, if they were properly implemented, a useful coping mechanism for stress and some other autism related problems.

Well, let's summarize the last couple of days: As some of my schoolmates used them, the nicotine pouches came to my atention. As they were completely cancer-risk free. I was still worried about oral health but not to a big extent and considered using them. In a conversation with a schoolmate, I mentioned, I was considering using them and practically made me talk to one of the users. As I was stressed because of the exams at school, I didn't think clearly and didn't think about my very low tolerance to nicotine (i did almost vomit many times other people smoked around me) and didn't rethink addiction, I didn't reject it (as I should). I then took it after school with him and another friend. And it had very serious effects, which I didn't expect (nausia, trembeling, etc) instead of just general decreased anxiety and happyness, I expected. I barely even walked to the bus stop with them. After they started telling me their experiences, I started regreting it, but I still didn't remove it or mentioned it. Then we split as they entered the bus and I walked to my stop. Well that's when the things started getting interesting. I barely even knew my name, as I was sitting on the wall next to the station for 8 minutes (thankfuly, it was late, otherwise I would have missed it). After entering, I couldn't even scan my bus card. Then I just took a seat somewhere and hoped to peacefully wait it out. After that I thought it was over, I just started vomiting and did it until I practically emptied myself. I wanted not to bring atention to myself, but it was too late as somebody reported me to the driver. Vomit, coupled by Autism (eye contact, barely being able to speak stressed) immediately convinced him I was on drugs (even if the psychological effects temporarly wore off). Then he threw me out at my stop, bullied me one last time before leaving. Then I hid as much vomit as I could, went home and planed the cleaning. At home, while cleaning, I noticed, I was very organised (probably a nicotine effect). While cleaning, I needed to take 4 12min breaks in bed to even be able to stand. I noticed, my sound sensitivity hightened to a enormous level and later, I was intensly stimming and I somehow got a lot of ADHD simptoms (i surely don't have ADHD), like forgetting why I came in a room, forgeting to do things, etc. I figured out there is no good addiction.

  • Why is it so intense?
  • How do people even enjoy this?
  • Are the psychological simptoms related to autism?
  • Am I already addicted as I have a lot of symptoms of withdrawal? Of course feel free to comment anything else.

Edit: Forgot to mention, the effects are acording to my friend the only effects. They aparently wear off. This brings me to another question:

  • Why do people even want to keep doing it, I don't mean have to (addiction)?
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[-] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 months ago

You took too much. That can happen with any drug when you don't have a tolerance built up and take too large of a dose.

Of all the drugs you could take to help with autism symptoms, nicotine is one of the worst. Any benefits it might have are nothing compared to just how chemically addictive it is. There are many, many better options for helping with anxiety, both prescription and "experimental". I'd really advise against trying nicotine again, it really isn't worth it.

[-] SrNobody@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Going to 2nd this, not withdrawal but took to much, Nicotine at 1st can be nice, but real benefits only last around 15mins, and it quickly becomes something that does nothing but keep withdrawals away. Nicotine pouches still cary heath risks too, they are not a safe alternative, I thought the same thing. You’re not addicted yet, if you keep doing it you will be and it will suck.

[-] Persen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I wanted to say a safer alternative, as it causes less negative psychological effects.

[-] Persen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I kept a pablo mini in for about 30min, so it wasn't very strong. Well, what other legal drug can be helpful and not very harmful?

[-] Toast@feddit.de 8 points 2 months ago

Nicotine pouches are not cancer-risk free at all. They just caused different kinds of cancer. Signed, a nicotine pouche addict

[-] Persen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not trying to disprove you, what kind of cancer does it cause?

[-] TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I know that other oral route tobaccos like chewing tobacco and dip cause oral cancers, there's no long term studies yet for pouches but there are anecdotal evidences of the same for pouches

[-] Persen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Oh god, I don't specifically know what this is, but it isn't promising.

[-] Case@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 2 months ago

From a long time nicotine user, I'll address your bullet points.

Intense: A combination of no tolerance with being sensitive to it.

How do people enjoy: You're sensitive to it, what you described sounds like a case of nicotine poisoning. When I started vaping and rolled my own coils and all that jazz, I experimented a lot and consumed way too much nicotine in the beginning. The happiness is a lie, as well as the help with anxiety. Nicotine withdrawal feels very similar to being anxious at some stages. It is relief of those withdrawal symptoms that people associate with less anxiety or even happiness.

Are the symptoms related: I could not tell you that.

Addicted: Unlikely you'd be addicted after a single use case, that being said, it feels awful, but the awful tapers after about 3 days - the future cravings mean you're addicted, in the most tell tale way. I use nicotine pouches as I've moved away from smoking. I still want a good old fashioned Marlboro Red, AKA cowboy killers.

Why do people want to keep it up? Often its a situational thing. You smoke with friends on the weekend, but not during the week. Then its daily, because you start feeling withdrawal. Soon you're smoking a pack a day ten years later kicking yourself for ever trying it.

If you (or anyone else) can avoid nicotine, I advise it wholeheartedly. The simplest way is just not to start, cliched as that may be.

[-] Persen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Wow thanks for the insight. I somehow experienced happiness some time after vomiting. I don't know if I felt relief, that it was over or just a feeling of having a secret (from my parents as I successfully cleaned myself before they arrived home). I would rather not start the addiction, but I could redo it sometime. And to not just talk about myself: Even if I don't know you, I still wish you to quit (if you want to of course).

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

If I was to try drugs to ease out, I would probably go for cannabis in a small dose. It's not physically addicting and some autism patients say it really helps them. Although all drugs are a form of roulette when it comes to the effects.

[-] Persen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Well if I start an addiction, I have to be able to maintain it, so I would rather use legal drugs.

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