BB84

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[–] BB84@mander.xyz 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Since when do they have those rules? A year ago I unlocked my Xiaomi phone. Outside China. Did not have a Chinese phone number. It took less than an hour.

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

even light can stop following null geodesics because the curvature can be too big compared to the wavelength

Very interesting! How do you study something like this? Is it classical E&M in a curved space time, or do you need to do QED in curved space time?

Also, are there phenomena where this effect is significant? I’m assuming something like lensing is already captured very well by treating light as point particles?

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

So if I have a spherically symmetric object in GR I can write the Schwarzschild metric that does not depend on the radial mass distribution. But once I add a second spherically symmetric object, the metric now depends on the mass distribution of both objects?

Your point about linearity is that if GR was linear, I could’ve instead add two Schwarzschild metrics together to get a new metric that depends only on each object’s position and total mass?

Anyway, assuming we are in a situation with only one source, will the shell theorem still work in GR? Say I put a infinitely light spherical shell close to a black hole. Would it follow the same trajectory as a point particle?

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

For the bowling ball, Newton’s shell theorem applies, right?

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Earth is in this case not an inertial reference frame. If you want to apply Newton's second law you must go to an inertial reference frame. The 9.81m/s/s is relative to that frame, not to earth.

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

That is one very impressive feather.

Restricting ourselves to feathers made by non-human animals

🤔🤔🤔

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

Newton's second law works in inertial frames. The acceleration of both objects would be the same in the inertial frame. But in the inertial frame, the earth would accelerate faster toward the object if the object was a bowling ball than if it was a feather.

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

the original title was “your mom falls significantly faster than g”

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You said the two objects accelerate at the same rate, but then in the PS you said the feather gets accelerated faster. What do you mean?

Are you saying the feather gets pulled on more because the mass of earth minus feather is greater than the mass of earth minus ball? You would be right. If you lift the feather, measure how long it takes to fall, then lift the ball and measure, you should get the same number. This meme was assuming you either let them fall side by side, or measure them separately but each time conjure the object out of thin air.

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Re your first point: I was imagining doing the two experiments separately. But even if you do them at the same time, as long as you don’t put the two objects right on top of each other, the earth’s acceleration would still be slanted toward the ball, making the ball hit the ground very very slightly sooner.

Re your second point: The object would be accelerating in the direction of earth. The 9.81m/s/s is with respect to an inertial reference frame (say the center of mass frame). The earth is also accelerating in the direction of the object at some acceleration with respect to the inertial reference frame.

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nope. The argument only works if you conjured the bowling ball and feather out of ~~thin air~~ vacuum. https://lemmy.world/comment/13237315 discusses what happens when the objects were lifted off earth.

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago

I didn’t think about that! If the object was taken from earth then indeed the total acceleration between it and earth would be G M_total / r^2, regardless of the mass of the object.

 

Tap for spoilerThe bowling ball isn’t falling to the earth faster. The higher perceived acceleration is due to the earth falling toward the bowling ball.

 
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/19504984

It's all relative

 

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3062545

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I saw a few math memes so I figure these are allowed here

 
 
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