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@Echinoderm Really?

You hit the original post's "insight",
then you read mine,
and that is your conclusion?

Then mute me.

I'm muting you now.

@Beetschnapps Who TF said that was what I was talking about??

I was talking about the masses of people gathering to protest Trump's being president, after he'd been elected.

You do understand that there were, and are, multiple protest-factions asserting, at any given time?

And that each banner/"cause" actually has multiple factions fighting to own/possess the faction?

And that some are less, and others more, honest?

And that the ones who are more on the narcissist/machiavellian/sociopathy-psychopathy/nihilist-short-termist/sadist spectrums are more-likely to "be success" according to the rigged reality of "political process"??

Looking at humankind's action is essentially trying to see what's going-on through a drunk-making/drugged-making kaleidoscope.

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What our unconscious-ignorance allows-us-to-see, isn't what's actually going-on.

It holds that political-process is more "real" than other things.

It ignores underlying-causes.

It *won't allow us* to be objective, unless we fight for decades against its undermining our integrity, systematically & somewhat-successfully.

And then you multiply that unconscious political-sentience/motivation also alters all our interactions, realtime, in order to prevent objectivity from having any validity...

and you mulitply that by "history" is written to cater-to entrenched unconscious prejudice of the faction who wrote that history, so it acts to displace any reader-of-history getting past that...

it takes *work* to see the complexity of our unconscious idiocy-enforcement regime, it takes work to see the unconscious idiocy-enforcement regime, itself!

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And why was there nobody noticing that WikiLeaks was accepting & publishing stuff embarassing to everyone .. *except Russia*, at the time?

( notice that WikiLeaks helped Trump win )

I've read that WikiLeaks blocked any accountability touching Russia for a decade, around then...

So, WikiLeaks was a Russian ally? or Russian-backed operation.

And nobody reported on that, or considered that that was an internationally-operated Russian-owned/loyal operation.

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Why the hell do people pretend that only 1 or 2 elements of the world exist, at any given time?

Few *undercurrents* exist, because unconscious-mind *is* simple, as it is limbic/herd-beast mind,
but the "clothing" that those undercurrents wear, is myriad.

It always has been.

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Hell, 1 of the most insulting-of-intelligence items is the White-supremacist gaslighting about what "All Lives Matter" means,
*and everybody else just accepting that gaslighting*.

Does Indigenous Lives Matter happen to be a part of what All Lives Matter *says* it means?

Yes?

Does it have *anything* to do with what White-supremacists mean when they are chanting "All Lives Matter"??

Of course not!

So how come when White-supremacism is gaslighting about "All Lives Matter", while, in 1 instance *gang kicking a nonwhite, together, while chanting that*, that people aren't calling-out *the gaslighting*??

( that was the gang of whites kicking a black man, together, while chanting that, at a Trump rally, which went viral, btw )

Does Battered-Lives Matter happen to be within the statement of "All Lives Matter"?

Does Women's Lives Matter happen to be within it?

Does Hispanic Lives Matter?

Does Asian Lives Matter?

Does The Working Destitute Matter?

Does Homeless Lives Matter?

Yet NOBODY in MSM is calling-out the gaslighting of what the White Supremacists mean when they're falsely stating that??

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Apparently humankind has some impervious-to-objectivity mental-deformation.

Universe has a solution for that:
The Great Filter, aka species-extinction of won't-grow-up toddler-mind-enforcing kinds.

IF humankind is devout to concerted-ignorance,

THEN Universe force-corners humankind into extinguishing itself,
through the same disintegrity-enforcement that our own ignorance "obliges".

Universe won't tolerate our ideological-rabies.

And that is automatic.

Nobody, not some male insecure bully "God", NObody, needs to make it be the force that extinguishes such species:

it is automatic.

The incompetence-rabies enforces *its own* extinguishing of the kind of people who are siding with it.

True elegance, that...

Self-cleaning Universes...

and nobody on this planet can get outside of political-faction-belonging,
to see it,
when it is going to extinguish this murderously-ignorant toddler-enforcing insane species.

Elegant.

@FlyingSquid I'm not saying 1 isn't worse than the other.

I'm saying you don't allow mobarchy *of any kind* to rule.

How can that be difficult to understand?

The goal must be to have intelligent considered-reason, objectivity, & sanity/wisdom rule.

Neither side wants that.

They want their-reactions to be ruling.

One of the people from the NYT, I think it was, admitted that the NYT & CNN "shut down" the progressive issues & the progressive voices.

That isn't journalism, that isn't democracy, that is bullshit propaganda-enforcement *gaslighting* as being "journalism".

I'm saying, specifically, that the *displacement* of journalism by the NYT & CNN is going to bit their faction in the ass,
when the "acceptable" to them Biden institution doesn't have the traction to win 2024.

And they are going to not-accept any responsibility, of course, for their part in preventing reality from having any chance in that election.

US Civil War Part2 is going to happen.

Power divorced from accountability, which describes both sides, or all sides, .. has consequences.

And 1 of those consequences, in the long term, is destruction of the allowed-to-completely-corrupt country.

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There was a guy, Glubb, iirc, who realized that empires always die around 2.5 centuries old.

the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Catholic Empire .. did it follow the pattern?

Anyways, there is a book "How To Hide An Empire" on the US Empire, and all the bullshit done to hide what it actually is...

It's time is done.

It's a natural process.

The original ruling-class has their identity,
the empire's population changes, as empire-populations must do,
the ruling-class's identity mismatches, more & more & more, the reality of the empire,
then the ruling-class has a kind of conniption trying to "reestablish" their "rightful" rule, but the entire context has changed, but their identity rejects the evidence...

... and you get narcissistic lashing-out, you get genociding, you get ultra-unstoppable corruption, you get criminality, you get authority gaslighting everywhere, you get legalism highjacking "justice", you get .. *disintegration*.

There is a limit on how long an empire can live.

The US's limit has been hit.

While it is theoretically-possible for the US to *adapt & transform*, .. the odds of that happening are .. oh, zillion:1 against?

something like that.

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You can't have Justice without accountability.

You can't have Right without Integrity.

You can't have a competent citizenry without citizens being *made* competent ( proper education ) in journalism, in critical-reasoning, etc...

None of the prerequisites are in-place.

That the right, throughout the world, wants to eradicate education, speaks immensely about its real design: it wants people only animal-reacting.

That the left, however, treats working-class people contemptuously, so that education is for the *middle* class's becoming managers, but the *working* class are the middle-class's inferiors...

it's galling.

it's insulting.

it's class-narcissism.

That isn't education, that is "education", with the falsifying-quotes on it.

Everything's been corrupted, every system, every rule, every law, everything of our civilization has been corrupted somehow, some way,
and people insist that one has to "make do with the corrupt-system, and act only within its process"...

and somehow un-corrupt things??

I've been gaslit enough.

Breaking the dishonesty from all dimensions of civilization, all at once, is required for humankind's surviving of The Great Filter.

If humankind won't?

Then Universe will carve our extinguishment as a warning to *intelligent* species who evolve in this galaxy.

Universe can't care.

Political-motivation, *itself*, is corrupt.

Only objectivity can survive this century.

But humankind has no need to survive, at all, right?

Ignorance-indulging can be "a statement" that humankind makes, right?

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Anybody who says that the corruption of the left or the corruption of the right MUST be accepted, is full of it.

Corruption doesn't need to be accepted.

Integrity is a possible alternative.

Mobarchy, whether left or right, whether mild or vicious, is still mobarchy.

Fuck mobarchy.

Rule of Considered-Reason, Objectivity, Right-Values, Wisdom, Sane-Strategy, Living World, etc.

That is proper.

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@FlyingSquid What has Jan 6th's crimes got to do with Trump remaining president in-spite-of massed left protest against the fact of his having been elected??

Nothing.

I'm no apologist for the Trump cult.

I'm *also* no apologist for any other cult, left or right.

The mass-protests of the left, against Trump, were supposed to produce .. obedience-to-collective-assertion?

Mobarchy, then?

Both kinds of delusion are dangerous.

Never grant either rule of entire-countries.

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@dantheclamman That little post isn't particularly deep, or convincing.

It's just parroting the currently fashionable stuff from the "left intellectual" press.

What's REALLY disturbing about that shit, is:

* it mixes sexual/romance relationship with the relationship between parent & young-child, and *that is vile, underhanded, dishonest, and multidimensionally-improper*.

* it tries to disable thinking, culturally, displacing it with social-pressure

( which both left & right use, btw...

The most comical globally-visible example of that was the mass herd-protests after Trump was elected.

Masses of leftists heaped together to protest .. Trump being active president.

And Universe *wouldn't obey* this mass herd-assertion!!

IMPOSSIBLE!!

( incredulity is normal, among the social-process-obedient )

Eventually, Naomi Klein told them "saying no isn't enough", and they stopped.

But .. they really believed that Universe would stop, drop, & roll, to obey their social-assertion of their herd??

Yes, they did.

THAT is frightening.

the right's conforming/enforcing centrism is culturally-different from the left's belonging-herd centrism, but both displace intelligence, with strategic/planet-scale lethal consequences, when one holds to the long view )

* it holds that one's cultural-habit is better a decider than is intelligence ( both left & right do this, and the degree of competent-education required to break that from a population is well-beyond what our "education" has allowed/tolerated, to be )

* it holds that the rest of the world ought obey its cultural-delusion instead of considered-thinking, which means that considered-thinking has already been eradicated from within that culture

etc.

There are plenty of points, and that little item, linked-to, missed/ignored most of 'em...

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Feel free to mute me, so you never see anything I say ever again...

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@sping From my perspective as a bicyclist, it is the key to understanding counter-steering:

When one is riding the center of the tire, one is in normal steering.

However, when one is riding the *side* of the tire, then counter-steering is happening, and one is *climbing* on the side-ish part of the tire.

That matches the experience.

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