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There’s an entire audio drama about it that Ryan and Hurd did voice work for.

It is perfectly fine.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

There have been plenty of indications that the Prime Directive applies to warp capable species. I think episodes like "Too Short a Season" and "30 Days" could be cited as evidence, though some would argue we're never explicitly told that either of the civilizations being interacted with are explicitly warp capable. In "Redemption" Worf resigns his commission after Picard claims the Federation cannot support Gowron in the Klingon Civil War, citing the Federation's, *"principle of non-interference." Granted, he does not explicitly say it's the prime directive. However, there is "The Outcast" the J'naii that Riker falls in love with, Soren, claims to be familiar with all the systems aboard a Starfleet shuttle, including the warp nacelles, and Picard later tells Riker he can't interfere with the J'naii subjecting Soren to conversion therapy because of the Prime Directive.

And, if you want the most explicit example, in the PRO episode, "First Con-Tact", a screen displays text -- copy and pasted from the book "Star Trek: Federation - The First 150 Years" -- outlining the general rules for how the Prime Directive applies to warp capable cultures.

"Section 2:
If said species has achieved the commensurate level of technological and/or societal development as described in Appendix 1, or has been exposed to the concepts listed in section 1, no Starfleet crew person will engage with said society or species without first gathering extensive information on the specific traditions, laws, and culture of that species civilization. Then Starfleet crew will obey the following.
 
a) If engaged with diplomatic relations with said culture, will stay within the confines of said culture's restrictions.
 
b) No interference with the social development of said planet."

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's not a continuity error, that's an aspect of Spock's character.

• In "Amok Time" Kirk learned that Spock was engaged to T'Pring, and he also comments that Spock never mentioned how important his family was after learning that T'Pau would be officiating the ceremony.

• In "Journey to Babel" Kirk suggests to Spock that he might want to travel to the surface of Vulcan to spend time with his parents, while Sarek and Amanda are standing right in front of them. Kirk learns that Spock's father is one of the most well regarded diplomats in the Federation.

• In "Yesteryear" when Spock returns from this journey to the Vulcan of his childhood, he tells Kirk that the only thing that changed was that a pet died. He doesn't mention that it was his childhood pet that died protecting him.

• In "Star Trek: The Final Frontier" Kirk learns that Spock had a half brother, Sybok. At that point they've known one another for 22 years.

• In "Sarek" Picard mentions having met Sarek at Sarek's son's wedding. What son? Spock? If it was Spock, there's no mention of him having a wife when he later shows up in the "Unification" two parter, or in the Kelvin films. Another, as of yet, unnamed member of Spock's family?

It would be a bigger continuity issue if Spock had mentioned a sister.

Which episode was that?

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Care to expand on what specific continuity issues you’re concerned about?

There would be actual canon issues if that was the case as opposed to the mostly imagined ones that people bring up.

No Garak & Bashir on the cover? Cowards.

Joking (not joking) aside, I am looking forward to seeing what's included. Especially the Steve Orlando story.

Also, knowing when we're going to get Ryan North and Chris Fenoglio's choose your own adventure LDecks book is very exciting.

I don't mind admitting that I'm over 40, and have been watching Trek since before TNG was being broadcast.

And, while personally I would be on board with an adventures of a younger Kirk as first officer aboard the Farragut, a TOS remake just seems like a missed opportunity. TOS exists, and we can all watch it, warts and all, at any point. Sure, there are some things in the show that it would be nice to modernize, but I would much prefer something new as opposed to re-treading that familiar ground.

Really, the only Trek I would be excited to get a remake of would be TAS.

I don’t think one good thing offsets the entire rest of Tom’s personality. He says some racist shit to Chakotay in the pilot.

He’s definitely the kind of guy who is recording a podcast in the Delta Flyer with his wraparound sunglasses on.

I imagine at least part of it is that it’s seen as likely going to be the last opportunity to give the actors, especially Patrick Stewart, these awards.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

From the opening log of "Whom Gods Destroy":

Captain's Log, stardate 5718.3. The Enterprise is orbiting Elba Two, a planet with a poisonous atmosphere where the Federation maintains an asylum for the few remaining incorrigible criminally insane of the galaxy. We are bringing a revolutionary new medicine to them, a medicine with which the Federation hopes to eliminate mental illness for all time. I am transporting down with Mister Spock, and we're delivering the medicine to Doctor Donald Cory, the governor of the colony.

So, at least this one TOS episode indicates that there is only one small facility which the Federation uses to house all the remaining criminally insane people in the galaxy. I think we can assume that by the galaxy, Kirk actually means the Federation. But as of that era, there apparently exists a medication that they believe will cure people of mental illness.

How much stock we want to put in one third season TOS episode I think can be debated -- and crucially we never get any confirmation as to the long term success of the medication -- but it is part of the canon.

There is also the Tantalus V penal colony from "Dagger of the Mind". Before they beam down, Kirk tells McCoy that it's more like a resort colony than a cage, though the doctor who ran the facility was using a machine to essentially brainwash both inmates and staff.

As for incarceration and rehabilitation in the 24th century, we know Tom Paris was at the New Zealand Penal Settlement when Janeway sprung him, with the approval of the Rehab Commission. When we see the settlement, the prisoners appear to be doing some sort of labour: one is carrying something, and Paris appears to be calibrating some sort of machinery. Granted, we don't know exactly what he was doing or why. Maybe he was working on a project he volunteered for or even conceived himself, and was given access to the resources to carry it out.

Ro Laren was on the Jaros II penal colony after her court martial. She was sprung from that by Admiral Kennelly, and he claims it was difficult to do so.

Kasidy Yates was incarcerated for six months for aiding the Maquis, though there's never any indication that the sentence isn't purely punitive.

In "Blaze of Glory" we saw that after his capture in "For the Uniform", Michael Eddington was being held aboard a station in a fairly small cell. He was still wearing civilian clothes. It's possible he hadn't yet been formally tried and convicted, though.

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