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@Rin Yep. Position of abject ignorance.

Buh-bye.

@moakley @grue Those "lone wolf" stories of people who "never rely upon another"? They're just that: stories. And generally pretty bad stories written by thoughtless writers who preach a bad message that doesn't hold up to even a second's examination.

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@moakley @grue Car drivers depend on a whole bunch of things, as noted above. But farmers do too. They rely on people making tools, and in the case of motorized ones, supplying fuel and maintenance for them. They rely on markets to sell the products of their efforts to permit them to exchange with other people for other necessities like clothing or food other than the food they themselves produce. Etc. etc. etc. Everybody depends on everybody else in a society.

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@moakley @grue Unless you're living in a forest that's nowhere near another human being, hunting and gathering all of your own food, moving around entirely on foot (or on animals you personally captured and trained), wearing clothing you made from materials you personally gathered from the environment around you, YOU ARE NOT INDEPENDENT. Even the smallest rural settlement has interdependence as a fundamental requirement.

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@moakley @grue The "concept of independence being a problem" is a very real one. To quote someone or other who is apparently very famous: "No man is an island." (And to tack on an obscure movie reference: "but some men are peninsulas.")

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@5in1k @grue Who on Earth told you that improving public transit means you MUST use public transit in RURAL areas!? Anybody who told you that was lying or was an idiot (or both).

@wintermute @MBech I had a bus break down here while I was riding it.

(OK, it was a bit more dramatic. It caught fire.)

The replacement bus was there in under two minutes. It's almost like people design systems with fallbacks and failsafes.

Almost.

@Rin @grue It's hilarious watching people like you tout the "inevitability" of public transit failure as if **THE MAJORITY OF THE PLANET DOESN'T USE IT WITHOUT ANY OF THESE "INEVITABLE" FAILURES COMING TO FRUITION!**

It's almost as if you're spouting bullshit from a position of abject ignorance and a deep-seated aversion of analysis and/or introspection.

Almost.

@tasho @grue As soon as they leap to the assumption that improving public transit means banning cars I know they're arguing from bad faith. (Or they're stupid. Either way they're not worth talking with.)

@Lv_InSaNe_vL @SwingingTheLamp OK. Compare it to China. Larger landmass. Larger population. And larger proportion rural. Yet China has some of the best rail systems in the entire world, and even the rural people in the back end of nowhere tend not to have cars; they use bus services most times instead.

What's your point now?

@spankmonkey @Little_mouse Here in Wuhan cars do the opposite.

I have two colleagues who live across the river from where I work. One takes public transit: bus to metro to bus. One drives. The one who uses public transit arrives at 8:15 every morning, give or take three minutes, except in the most extreme of circumstances (like city-wide flooding). The one who drives that same rough distance will sometimes be here before 8 and sometimes comes in at 9 because traffic is hellish and random.

@jeffw I feel you could replace that last word with almost anything.