you can leave the instance if you don't like it; this allows you to access the rest of the fediverse; saying "you're blocked from the entire fediverse" is not a good reason to not defed because it's fundamentally not true

holy shit, how do I even begin to explain that you can't just "ignore" Nazis and racists and transphobes and letting them keep their platform

you do understand that they hurt real fucking people, right????

Not really a fan of putting on shades so I don't have to see the nazis in the nazi bar

just kick the nazis out

Like I'd hope that we wouldn't follow in Reddit's footsteps of tolerating alt-right bigotry

Defederating isn't like being fucking censored or whatever; it's people deciding that they don't want to be around you

Basically near-every instance did this for Lemmygrad with zero complaint, so it's fucking weird that there are so many people complaining now when it comes to an instance teeming with alt-right bigotry

In Beehaw's case especially I saw a lot of people who came off more that they took being defederated personally or that they felt entitled to Beehaw's communities than anything

like I still can't understand why people found it so abhorrent that Beehaw temporarily defederated; they literally stated why and explicitly stated that it's probably not permanent

like they made it clear, people just didn't bother to read for some reason

you're leftist but aren't considering the paradox of tolerance?

like, why? What is the reason you're not supporting defederation?

I mean, being a minority, I can't help but see that as a distinction without a difference; the right-wing, if not outright fascist, is definitely flirting with it and that already makes me want to distance myself

fucking wild to hear Beehaw being of a "fringe extreme ideology" for...

...deciding to defederate with really huge communities with lax registration requirements because they were overworked and didn't have good enough mod tools (because the platform doesn't) to deal with it?

Even saying that they'd consider refederating once those issues were solved?

In what world is this extreme, and in what world is this "the opposite of an instance that is amenable to right-wing people"? Like how could you even logically think that?

The example that introduced me to federation was like an instance getting overrun with Nazis, and everyone deciding to just cut that instance loose; let it float alone as "the Nazi instance" that nobody has to interact with.

I thought that stuff like bad actors and assholes was one of the main reasons for the idea of federation, really surprised how many people thought differently

"Defederating for political reasons" is like a completely normal reason to do so. Like, why the hell should we tolerate alt-right shitheads here?

If you think this is "just political drama", count yourself lucky to not be affected by the alt-right

I think people need to remember that nobody owes one's instance federation

I could say some things about why some people here don't seem to think that people outright saying full-on alt-right shit is bad enough that we should defederate, but I don't think they'd actually understand or want to

fuck it; those people are so lucky that they've never had to think about the danger of alt-right shit as anything other than a thought experiment, the type that hasn't ever had to deal with people who fundamentally want them to stop existing

like guys, that's not "alt-right people are crazy weirdos but ultimately harmless", that's "I'm lucky because I just happen to not be a primary target for them, if a target at all, and I have mistaken this for the alt-right being of low influence"

honestly peak "I don't have to think much about politics, and haven't realized that this is an incredible privilege to have" behavior