hrosts

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[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Your username looks particularly funny in the context. I hope you know why.

[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

A state only does welfare policies when it is compelled to by democratic forces.

Correction: by the need to disarm and pacify the proletariat, when class rule becomes too threatened. German Empire is a good example. Nobody would dare to call Bismarck's rule "democratic"

And you're still describing welfare. Most SocDems I know support things like this or similar ones, and food subsidies are done by many liberal governments, irrelevant of the democratic status.

using a different definition of a word that a community clearly does not use

I agree, MLs have long abandoned what communism was supposed to mean.

don’t remember making any references to “the will of the people”

I mean, your schpiel about welfare implying democracy is kinda it. You still haven't made neither communist ties to mode of production, nor more liberal ties to the electoral structure. You're only pushing the welfare angle.

Monarchs wanting to keep the populace docile, like in modern Saudi Arabia or in the German Empire would often implement welfare, and it would be ridiculous to call that in any way a democracy. However fascists often define "democracy" as the ruler following the will of the people, which is shown through fulfilling certain needs of the population, like food, healthcare, housing. Your "welfare implies democracy" take runs parallel to that idea, and can be argued to be a slight repackaging of the reactionary concept.

would make me a “liberal-fascist”

That is not how it works. It is possible to believe fascist things while being a liberal and to believe liberal and fascist things while being a socialist. The point is not that you are that shitty thing, but that you should change your position from the wrong one to the right one.

[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (17 children)

So democracy to you is when a state does SocDem welfare policies?

I would understand if, as a purported socialist, you wanted to tie democracy to communism, as bourgeois democracy democratizes only the superstrucure, and even that one just partially. But that tie-in would clearly be hard to accept if you wanted to argue for USSR being democratic, as it was far from a stateless classless moneyless society.

Still - why social democracy? Why welfare? It's kinda of a weird choice, unless you tie the idea of democracy to the liberal-fascist "will of the people" concept. But that would imply very bad things about your views, friend.

[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -4 points 6 months ago (19 children)

There are multiple ways to interpret this. I have no interest in guessing.

State your point.

[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -4 points 6 months ago

And what if it is? You seem to be fine with continuing on so far.

[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You keep thanking me time and time again. Is this a kink thing?

[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -3 points 6 months ago (11 children)
[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Shame, I really liked trolling your ass.

Time for arguments was around a day ago, but you was too overflowing with sass to engage. Davel was more coherent, so I wrestled with him until he realized he can't really prove there was a genocide and left.

Bye, you silly liberal. I still have to discover if there's any difference between positions of you lot and of an average TV-addled Russian boomer. The lack of class analysis in explaining Russia's behavior is your bane, together with tankie brainrot.

[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -5 points 6 months ago
[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

No pwease don't caww me wibewal!!! You don't know what it meanf!!! Get a downdoot you meanie!!!

Please explain me how you're not a lib, you will get even more upvotes for this for sure.

[–] hrosts@lemm.ee -5 points 6 months ago (10 children)

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You're alone in the room calling people NPCs online. Get a life you silly lib.

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