soronixa

joined 3 years ago
[–] soronixa@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago

lemmy.ml is also for anarchists, right?

[–] soronixa@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago

White isn't a race, its a social construct that has come for historical reasons to stand for a group of European colonialists from a variety of countries.

I never said white is a race either. I didn't even mention white. we were talking about Anglo-Saxons I assume? even then I clarified in one of my comments that Anglo-Saxons aren't technically a race.

I'd tread very carefully if I were you

and now I'm getting ban threats from an admin of lemmygrad because we disagree over a title. why are you so hostile? did I say anything outrageous without knowing? I apoligoze if I did, but can you point to it?

white supremacists whining about "reverse racism" here.

bold claim. I never suggested, or even implied that white people are superior or any bullshit like that. as I said I didn't even mention white, you brought it up. I just said saying that an ethnic group has a negative trait in their DNA is racist. but apparantly it's a controversial take on lemmygrad.ml

and you would do me a favour if you don't classify me in the "reverse racism" crowd. I did not say there's sytematic racism against "white people", I didn't even come close to that. it was just a title.

but well, thanks for your warning, and for not banning me. I enjoy talking to you guys, just wished you would reply to me and explain why I'm wrong, instead of downvoting me. that would make a more productive discussion, and a more pleasant experience.

[–] soronixa@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

just saw this comment and now I wanna cry T_T

so now I'm just someone biting a "bait", with a "superiority complex", someone "not likely to join the side of the oppressed", and having "the emotional basis of my beliefs" being "white supermacy". at least you considered an alternative, someone

who have been told from cradle to grave, in media and culture, that they're inferior to whites, and that the only way to be successful, is to emulate whites, the way they talk, dress, etc.

which I can't tell if is better or worse.

not to mention the one calling me a reactionary or suggesting I don't understand the pain of indigenous people. all that because I rightfully called out a genuinely racist title? you people are so fucking cruel.

a few days ago there was a thread on lemmy.ml and we all blamed sinophobes for their bigotry, but when it's reversed it's ok? we said dismissing an open source CPU for being Chinese is bigotry, and it's not an acceptable excuse that "they mean the communist party would put backdoors in it". but now "white people are genetically berutal against indigenous people" is a delicate metaphor? don't be so biased. racism is wrong, no matter the race.

edit: this reminds of a thread on lemmygrad a while back, when I explained why tiktok might even be worse than instagram or youtube (its addictive aspects) and how it can be even more harmful (by lowering the attention span to 15 seconds of esily digestable videos), but apparantly lemmygrad users believed being Chinese makes it ok somehow? like have some consistency guys.

[–] soronixa@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago

ah, it's just getting worse. we're on the same side (at least regarding this issue), yet we can't agree on such a simple thing.

This article is about how the US and Canada are shifting the blame for the boarding schools that killed thousands of natives for generations and the forced assimilation of those people.

I whole-heartedly agree that this subject needs more attention. what has happened is beyond anything I can describe, and it hasn't even happened long ago, so the "it was previous generations" excuse doesn't work. it's hard evidence that the government and church are corrupted as hell, and don't deserve their position.

be upset that the title alludes to DNA I guess. It's real easy to find the author's use of the term "DNA" in the title upsetting when you're not in the hundreds of indigenous groups who've been forced into generations of oppression at the hands of Anglos.

how is this relevant? and how does it justify the title?

It's a provocative title, it's meant to catch your eye.

it doesn't make it ok, making racist statements to get our attention to an important thing is still wrong. I would also add that if the author's intentionwas to highlight the crime commited by North American countries, they're failing miserably, all we're talking about is the title and if it's racist or not.

Now actually read the article

I agree with the content of the article.

and understand that it's pulling attention to the treatment of indigenous people by Anglo governments.

a noble goal, but as I mentioned, it seems that they're not achieving their goal by that title.

Treatment that Anglo governments are currently trying to deny while claiming the boarding schools for the Uyghur are the same thing.

I agree, they're not in a position to lecture the world about human rights. also in my opinion, the claims that "millions of Uyghurs are held in concentration camps against their will, it's a genocide!" are utter bullshit. this article could be a great opportunity to show that these countries aren't concerned about human rights, but all it's accomplished is making us argue about its title.

I don't know what you want to achieve with the rest of your comment. but let's see your reaction if we change the title to be about another race. if someone had said "being slaves is the African's DNA", wouldn't you call it out? or would you start defending it by saying "see, DNA means history here, the writer must be trying to make us pay attention the crimes commited against Africans", "oh no, African isn't a race, so this is not racism" and "tell it to that tribe killed by those Africans!", "author is trying to get your attention, it's justified."

 

so if you haven't come across it, see here , here , here and here .

in short, one side says sources are pro-imperialist, the other side believes they're legitimate sources. then there is one user thinking we have been targeted by troll farms, one accusing others of being conspiracy theorists and stuff like that. it's one of the most unproductive arguements I've seen on Lemmy, something that looks like one those downvoted-to-oblivian threads on reddit. it's just a mess.

I think we can do a few things to prevent such pointless fights in the future:

  1. my favoriate response would be creating a community of fact-checker Lemmurs. it'll function similar to a wikipedia talk page, anyone can request a trial for an article shared on c/worldnews , then they will present evidence and sources to challenge the article, while the other side attempts to do the same. personal attacks, accusing of being a troll, asking for a call on jitsi to debate face to face (like seriously?!?!) will be forbidden. both sides will debate untill they reach an agreement. trying to go off-topic, bad faith arguements etc will be forbidden as well.

each time we reach a conclusion, a positive or negative point will be assigned to news source and to the person who posted it. best contributers who show the least bias will get a point as well. overtime it will help us to see if a source is really good or not.

  1. a much easier approch would be to let downvotes and upvotes decide the fate of each post. I understand that this is the whole point of lemmy and similar platforms, but right now we have the problem of each side using downvotes and upvotes like it's a battle. posts about internet censoreship and tiny pigs are being downvoted because the person who posts them trusts the Guardian and other news outlets.

  2. we can limit the number of posts on c/worldnews to minimize the amount of personal attacks and arguements.

so what do you think? I personally think as more users come to lemmy, we'll be dealling with more diverse opinions, and people might just engage in behaviors that harms the platform and benefits no one. this will be a real problem considering that Lemmy leans far-left. in my opinion having a fact-checking community will be neccessary if we don't want fact-based communities turn into battlefields.

ps: am I going too far and overreacting? to be honest I don't know xD I just think there's no chance for productive political arguements if we can't agree on the facts, and i see no point in what's happening on c/worldnews right now.

 

What are some new or reddit features that you think will improve Lemmy, and what are the things that you don't want to lay your eyes upon ever?

[–] soronixa@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

To be fair I've just recently come to take privacy seriously, and I don't know any better source than privacytools.io for general privacy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] soronixa@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (3 children)

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