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Can anyone recommend great or entertaining wintertime movies that aren't in the romance or survival-based genres? I'm not terribly picky, but I didn't think Dead of Winter was bad. Or maybe movies that take place in a snowstorm or cozy cabin during winter. I don't have a preference on whether it's holiday-themed or not. I've already considered The Thing but I've seen that plenty of times.

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Five years after the events of Jurassic World Dominion, the planet’s ecology has proven largely inhospitable to dinosaurs.

Those remaining exist in isolated equatorial environments with climates resembling the one in which they once thrived.

The three most colossal creatures within that tropical biosphere hold the key to a drug that will bring miraculous life-saving benefits to humankind.

Academy Award® nominee Johansson plays skilled covert operations expert Zora Bennett, contracted to lead a skilled team on a top-secret mission to secure genetic material from the world’s three most massive dinosaurs.

When Zora’s operation intersects with a civilian family whose boating expedition was capsized by marauding aquatic dinos, they all find themselves stranded on an island where they come face-to-face with a sinister, shocking discovery that’s been hidden from the world for decades.

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Have you seen it? What do you think of it?

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Good stuff, the first film was bit confusing but the second one wasn't. I should've read the books first but the first book is always being borrowed so i could not do that.

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Unfortunately, any parent can tell you that once your kid likes a certain movie, you're gonna see it a lot, and my son really likes 2 movies that I've seen a lot. So I figured I'd write a bit about them since I've seen each probably 100 times more than a typical movie reviewer. I'm not watching it again to review it so this is from memory.

Elemental

Characters:

The protagonist is Ember, a snarky cunt who gets really angry and then destroys everything in the room. She's a fire elemental.

Her dad is super racist against water as on of his main character traits, he's one of the most likable characters in the film. In many scenes, his line read is angrily saying "WATER!!!"

Her mom is a woowoo crystal lady who does fortune telling.

Wade is a water elemental. At first he looks like a giant loser, but he's hiding his power level and is actually a gigachad looking for an Asian girlfr--oops, spoilers.

Wade's family shows up in three scenes, only one of substance, it's a bigger family. His dad is dead, meaning he could have been an anime protagonist but instead decided to be in this movie. I probably would have chosen the former, but I understand the allure of being in a Disney movie.

General plot:

The movie starts with Ember's family entering the city as new immigrants, and then being rejected from many apartments because they're made out of goddamn fire and even set one of the places on fire just by touching it. Eventually they buy a rotted out old building. It shows the family building a store and living in the building, and ember growing up next to her dad. He seems like a great guy. Some water guy comes in and starts breaking shit and she and her dad chase him off. She asks a bunch of times for the old man to give her the shop. It shows her growing up until it reaches the events of the movie. In this scene her dad lets her run a lady through the till. She get so mad she sets everything on fire, blowing out the glass in their display case (which she repairs using her fire), and setting a bunch of stuff on fire in a fire store, showing us her biggest character flaw, her bad temper.

Her dad wants to sleep in so he says she can run their big sale of the year. She goes off and does a bunch of deliveries saying she wants to beat his record. A plant kid tries to hit on her but he's like 12 and she's a six foot tall plume of flame, so she sets the flower he gives her on fire. She says "elements don't mix!" There's a big sequence of delivering things. Then she gets home, and her dad is sleeping at the counter. She puts him to bed and finishes.

The next day is the big red dot sale. She gets so mad trying to mind the store she's about to explode like a hand grenade, so she goes into the basement and does so, setting everything on fire in the process. Have you ever worked a minimum wage and not set off an explosion destroying the place after one day? Congratulations, you are officially more competent than this dummy. This sets off a water leak through a water pipe. The entire place is full of water (which WILL kill her -- she has half her face blown off, no I'm not kidding it happens a few times to fire people in this show). but she uses her water to weld the pipe shut (I still don't know -- would that work? I feel like the water would soak up all the heat). A water guy slides in through the pipe and starts writing city citations. Is this even legal? It feels illegal. Anyway, she tries to chat him up to stop writing tickets but only tells him he really needs to write a lot more tickets. Then there's a big chase scene through the city because she wants to burn the tickets. There's a cool scene where the water and fire slide through a crevice between buildings, and eventually they end up at city hall. She rushes ahead and sets a giant fire to stop him but he slips past her.

He goes in and she's sitting there suicidally depressed, talking about how her dad is going to lose everything because of her, and when she's suicidally depressed she does this glowy thing and water guy thinks it's pretty lit, but he is convinced but has sent the stuff off the be processed, so they go visit the plant guy who does the processing to try to convince him to stop and in the process she loses her temper burning everything in the room including the plant guy to cinders(He's fine, just needs to grow all his leafy body hair back). That's now score 2 for the explosive temper that literally destroys everything in the room.

Ember goes home and her dad is fighting off the leaks she caused, and her mom lays this guilt trip on her about how they had to leave the old country because of a big storm destroying their shop there. We also get to see some fantastic racism from her dad against water. I think he secretly believes Hotler was right. They also talk about the cultural significance of this blue flame thing.

The next day we see Wade walking by a door (I don't know what's going on here, the door is just a door not the big city hall doors we just saw, maybe a back entrance?) and he sees something that looks like it's on fire and it sets his man-purse on fire so he starts to stomp it out and she's like "hey stop stomping on me" and then he's all awkward like "you're so hot" and she's all judgmental -- hey lady, you set his man purse on fire chill out. Turns out she was there hoping to talk his boss into not putting the tickets through. She invites herself to a sports ball game since wade and his boss are both going.

At the sports ball game, Ember sounds like a skeezy used car salesman trying to convince the boss who is a wind elemental to tear up the tickets and fails miserably, getting into a slur-off. I'm pretty sure she called the boss an n-word, and the boss called her a different n-word right back, but then wade makes everything better by riling up the crowd so hard the home team wins the game.

After the game, the boss who is happy now because her team won listens to ember who has a real gift for gab and upon hearing about the leak ember caused says she definitely needs to shut down the store and tear it all to pieces (great work, Churchill), but thanks to Wade the boss gives them one chance to find and fix the leak and it's all good.

The next day, ember sneaks out to meet with wade, and she just randomly destroys a bunch of city infrastructure up on a roof to build a hot air balloon (as one does), and they take off. They see a couple plant elementals banging or something. Wade almost dies from the heat because it's a 6 foot tall walking talking fire3 spell, but he keeps it together because the power of water boners is stronger. There's a big exposition dump about how there's this special tree she wanted to see but wasn't allowed because her and her dad are giant walking talking nightmares of hot plasma, but then the place got flooded so now she can never see it ever how sad don't you feel for her? Me neither.

They find the spot, it turns out there's a broken wall. There just happens to be a bunch of sand bags right there, so with Wade doing the placing, they put a bunch of sandbags down to stop the leak. While in the air Wade mentions that sometimes you're just mad because your brain is just trying to let you know something you aren't ready to hear yet.

I think at that point he asks her on a date because he's got a death wish and evaporating is an actual thing that can happen. At that point there's a whole montage of dating (I think? I might've gotten the sequence wrong, it could happen after this?)

A while later we get to see her dad being racist against water (I think he wants to send them all to Washwitz), it's wholesome fun for the whole family (as long as your family isn't water). there's a flower delivery. She rushes it to the basement and the water in the vases reconstitute into wade. Turns out the sand bags aren't holding and the crew that was supposed to fix it won't be doing any work because Wade screwed up and trapped them all in cement. Then the dad shows up and he's about to stab this water guy he found in his basement (I don't know, would that even do anything?), but Ember calms him down. Wade claims he's a food inspector so her dad gives him a bunch of super hot food and he explodes (he got better), and then Wade makes like a tea with the hot food and gets banned from her dads shop. Really great showing here.

They end up meeting at a beach to try to dig sand bags but they realize it's not going to help and so she's suicidal again, and she does that pretty lightshow she does when she's suicidal. Wade instantly perks up (He's got a thing for suicidal pillars of flame), and also points out that she made glass. They go to the leak and she turns the sand into glass, sealing the gap. They need to get the OK from the boss the next day, so they'll meet then. He tells her to meet his family for dinner so they can wait for the call.

When she gets home, her dad tells her that because of how well she handled the water guy he's retiring in 2 days and giving her the shop and he even made a sign.

The next day she sneaks out, and her mom smells love (it's her fortune telling thing), so she starts shuffling off to find it. Ember has dinner at wade's place, and uses fire to fix a water jug that got broken, and everyone is very impressed. The boss calls up, the glass is an ok fix. Wade's mom tells Ember about an internship in a glass company.

Ember's mom gave up and stumbles away before dinner ends.

Ember leaves dinner and seems mad (because she always seems mad or depressed, that's her 2 modes), and wade goes with her. They drive really fast on a motorcycle and nearly die a bunch of times. She admits that the reason she's so mad is she doesn't actually want the shop (she probably shouldn't have asked 100 times when she was younger then, but what do I know?), but doesn't want to admit it. They go back, and Ember's mom shows up and lays some fantastic racism against the water boy, but they go into her place to do a fortune telling. Embers mom doesn't think it'll work since you need fire, but Wade cleverly uses his refractive body to form a lens to set a fire using the light in the room. Embers racist dad wakes up and Wade has to leave in a hurry. Ember's dad lays on the "I'm your old dying dad, I'm so glad you're taking over the shop" routine.

The next day she goes to his place and gives him a glob of glass she previously made because she's breaking up with him. He doesn't take no for an answer and tells her to come with him to see something. They go to the place with the tree she wanted to see. Wade's boss is there (I call my boss out regularly to save my relationships, don't you?), and uses the wind elemental power to prepare an air bubble. Wade swims into the water with her in the air bubble and they see the tree, and it's a whole nice thing, then the air is running out so she nearly dies but is pretty stoked that she got to see the tree, even if she did die. Wade knows she's weak in the knees from near death and it's time to shoot his shot -- he asks her to touch, and it turns out they don't die, so they were pretty excited about that. Then he holds her and is all like "I'm so happy I have you" which turns out to be her trigger word and she flees in terror. She says something about "And the fact you don't understand is a reason we can never be together"

The next day is the shop getting handed over to her, it's a big thing, and wade crashes the party. He goes "You said this was the reason we can never be together" which is not what she said you slimy sleazeball water -- no wonder embers dad hates you you're filled with lies and water. He tries to apply the rizz and instead only manages to seduce her dad... into not retiring. She isn't impressed. Sometimes you roll a 1.

The next day he's about to leave and she's doing deliveries and then her glass thing starts to crack. Then it breaks, and takes half the city with it. Ember bravely drives like a maniac to warn everyone in firetown. Wade sees what happens and leaves the airport.

Her dad begs her mom to let him go to save the blue flame, but I don't know what he's going to do -- he's like 2 feet tall and wider than he is tall. I don't think you can just be racist to a flash flood and it'll help (it's him though, so maybe?) Ember, being like 6 feet tall and having the acrobatic skills of a lifelong circus performer flips in and tries to save the shop. Wade shows up and Ember is like "You came back! After all I said!" and you know that bodes well for the future. "Oh, you this whipped, huh? I'm gonna enjoy this..."

The water breaks through and she tries to make glass to save the blue fire but it didn't work last time it didn't work this time.

Ember is tossed into the back room which is now covered in debris. She's upset about losing the blue flame but Wade got it (It seems to me he's saved her ass at every juncture). She seals up the entrance leaks with her fire, but wade is starting to evaporate (yeah, because he's in an enclosed room next to ifrit the destroyer). They try to leave through the chimney but the flooding destroys and plugs up the chimney. He's evaporating and she becomes suicidally depressed which is really his thing but he evaporates.

A while later everything is cleared and they let her out, and water guy is dead (how happy was the dad? They never got into it but I'm sure to him the only good water is a dead water). But then they make water guy cry and he leaks into a bucket at the bottom of the chimney.

Because it's pretty difficult to imagine exactly what their future would be like, her line of triumph is something "I love you Wade... I want to....have you, FOREVER.... in my life...." it's an awkward line coupled with an awkward line read because it sure looks like "happily ever after" is existing a couple feet apart at all times.

Then he's back and they kiss and that's basically the end of the movie after some extra scenes showing she didn't need to take over the shop.

The moral of the story:

You don't need to control your explosive, destructive anger, you're only mad because you aren't getting your way.

Filial piety is for the birds (or don't worry it'll turn out you don't even need to carry on your fathers dream anyway you DISAPPOINTING FAILURE)

I think a third theme of the movie is miscegenation, but honestly I don't know what I'd say about race mixing in the film that would mean anything, just like the in the movie -- most people don't literally destroy one another in each other's presence and consider that a good candidate for a life partner. One of them is literally fire and will be put out by water, and one of them is literally water and will be evaporated by fire. Like... They say that 'love is all you need', but I feel like the other thing you need is not being antimatter to one another.

Why do kids like it:

It's really pretty. The whole thing is just excuses for the animators to create really beautiful scenes with the characters as brushes.

What do I think:

I'm not a fan. The moral is weak, the story is weak, it's all spectacle and no substance. The main character never needs to improve herself, the world seems like it could be really interesting but doesn't really get built all that much, it just seems pretty sparse. The fundamental story is also sort of self-refuting since being alone in a room literally kills the co-protaganist.

I'm an anime watcher, so plot contrivances don't bug me that much, such as the bizarre idea of a city manager asking a rando to fix a leak and making canceling a bunch of tickets contingent on fixing that leak. They're stretched pretty tight here though, for some people the illusion might just snap.

Given the themes of filial piety and a few other things (including the link between dragons and flame), I tend to think the fire people are coded as mostly Asian, and the water people are coded as mostly white Anglo Saxon. Not that it actually matters, since in a lot of ways it doesn't end up mattering. The conflicts are against a water leak on one end, the main character's roid rage on the other, and in between there's a romance between a roid raging explosion factory and a gigachad who constantly fixes everything for her and gets dumped on at every opportunity. Any themes they hoped to explore were lost in the maelstrom.

Although filial piety is set up as one of the antagonists, I like Ember's dad. He seems like a decent hard working guy who wants to do right by his family. After seeing this movie approximately 9001 times, hearing him scream "WATER" in anger and fear never gets old with me.

Do you want to watch this movie 9001 times? No no oh Jesus lord god no. It's the sort of thing you see once, go "oh that was neat" and move on with your life, probably to never think about again. It's pretty and insubstantial, like cotton candy, and about as healthy for your kids. If you think your kids might want to watch this 9001 times, don't even mention it because it's not worth it.

As a contrast, we watched Bolt recently, from around 2008. In that movie, the main character had an arc where he had to come to understand the authentic world as it is and separate out the fantasy elements, to piece out the real from the fiction, and in the process came to realize he wasn't a dog with superpower, he was just a regular dog and he needed to learn to cope with being a regular dog and not an actual TV superhero. In spite of that journey, when his owner was in peril he went into a burning building and nearly died saving his owners life with the last few gasps of consciousness before being overwhelmed by smoke himself showing that despite learning he wasn't a superhero the relationship he had with his owner was real and worth risking his life to protect. That's a movie whose message I'd like to see again and again.

Bolt's side stories also had important moral lessons, such as the deceptive network exec laying a guilt trip on the little girl despite the fact that we saw earlier all she cares about is ratings, and the story of the agent pushing her around. Those side stories I think contributed to the story's moral fiber.

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Unfortunately, any parent can tell you that once your kid likes a certain movie, you're gonna see it a lot, and my son really likes 2 movies that I've seen a lot. So I figured I'd write a bit about them since I've seen each probably 100 times more than a typical movie reviewer.

Encanto

Characters

The protaganist of this movie is a frumpy girl with a big nose. This is plot relevant because she sticks her nose in everyone else's business. She has no magical powers other than the power of autism

Abuela is the elder matriarch of the family. I don't know exactly what her magical powers are, she doesn't explicitly show anything but we'll get to that.

She has a fair skinned aunt whose mood affects the weather. Her husband is a simp.

She has an uncle named Bruno. We're gonna talk about Bruno, don't you worry.

Her mom is probably the most reasonable and normal person in the entire family. Her power is her cooking is a cureall, immediately heals all injuries. Her husband acts weak and his entire contribution to the film seems to be one scene where he makes a funny face and another scene where he goes "I'm worried about MY DAUGHTER"

She has a younger male cousin who is just coming of age, his power will be talking to animals.

She has a slightly older male cousin whose power is shape shifting. This guy is basically a Checkov's Gun that goes entirely unfired. He appears in scenes, but other than comic relief his entire character could be removed and nothing of value would be lost.

He has a female cousin about the same age whose power is extreme hearing.

She has two sisters, one is a brute with super strength, the other is a princess who can make flowers appear and works really hard to appear perfect.

Main Plot:

The movie starts with a retelling of the story from Abeula fleeing the war and gaining a magical miracle. They have a candle that never goes out, and an enchanted land that has terrain that keeps out invaders, and a magical house that is alive.

Next there's a musical number explaining all the family members. One thing that's really notable in these pieces is whereas in some films there's continuity in musical numbers to a degree, it really doesn't look like it here. People show up in numbers to do something or sing something then minutes later act like they had no idea the musical number happened. Doesn't really matter, but it's noteworthy for people who are vainly trying to follow the narrative. The number is also an attempt by frumpy to deflect from questions from the kids of the village about what her magical gift is. At the end of the number, abuela is wondering what the hell she's doing and the younger cousin tells the kids she has no magical gift. One of the villagers comes over with a big basket and makes a big deal of her not having a gift.

They're preparing for the gift granting ceremony for the youngest.

She goes into the house and her aunt is causing rainstorms and her simp husband is trying to calm her down. Princess Sister comes down on a swing made of rose vines and gives everyone flowers, and snipes verbally at frumpy who then storms into the kitchen.

We see her mom and dad. (Her dad is covered in bee stings which we saw in the musical but not other stuff from the musical... It's just a show, don't think too hard about it). Her mom makes him a small piece of food to cure the bee stings. Her dad tries to talk to her about not having a magical gift, but doesn't do a very good job, and ends up just trying to say exactly what her mom says in the end and then makes a funny face for some reason. Her mom tells her she's just as special as the rest and that she doesn't need to make up for anything.

She's putting a nice little decoration next to everyone's room when abuela shows up and says "don't mess this up" basically.

She has a scene with the young cousin who she's sharing a room with, luring him out from under the bed with a present (a leopard). They go out of the room and into the party.

They show the party for a bit, then eventually it's time for the ceremony. The young cousin really wants frumpy to come walk with him because he's scared. After a bit of coaxing she does, and they walk towards a magical door, and he puts his hand on the doorknob. A toucan flies out and lands on his arm and it's obvious that they're talking and then a bunch of animals show up and his room opens and it's a big animal and nature themed room. After the excitement they get everyone with a gift together to take a photo, and in the flash of the photo a new musical number starts where frumpy whines about not having a miracle. In the process of the song, she goes to a part of the house where nobody is, and she sees a broken ceiling tile, and the house seems to be scared and shaking. she picks up the ceiling tile and it shatters slicing her hand clean open, (I'm not sure the mechanics of this... She's hold it with her fingers then her hand is sliced open) and she can see giant cracks forming everywhere. She rushes to the party and stops everyone to warn them but when they go back everything is fine, so the party continues.

She has a talk with her mom about how hard tonight must be on her (mom isn't wrong) as she cooks a magical healing bun for her hand.

In bed, she hears abuela talking, and worrying that they're going to lose everything and wishing that abuelo (grandfather) was still there to help her.

The next day, she's trying to talk to the cousin who can hear really well but ends up talking to the shapeshifter instead who is shapeshifted as the cousin who can hear really well, so that's a joke and then the hearing cousin comes up and says "Nobody was talking about this but you... and the rats in the walls... and your big strong sister, her eye was twitching all night"

They have a family meeting and while abuela is trying to hold a meeting frumpy is interrupting everything trying to find out what her big strong sister knows. We learn that princess sister is going to be married off to some big guy and the propsal is soon.

After the meeting frumpy meets up with big strong sister, who then sings all about how much pressure she's under because she's so strong . After that, big strong sister suggests looking for uncle bruno's final vision in his room.

She goes to the room, and finds the shards of glass that fit together to make a vision. She barely escapes because gathering the shards for some reason causes the main chamber to be destroyed. She takes the shards to her room.

Abuela finds her in the hallway and is about to ask about the sand in her hair when big strong sister comes up distraught because she felt weak. In the commotion, frumpy runs off.

There's a whole musical number about how we don't talk about Bruno because he makes prophecies that tell you bad things.

In the end of the number, she finally pieces together the vision and sees that the house is cracking behind a vision of her.

Her dad comes in the room and is shocked to see the vision slab. Frumpy immediately says everything in about 2 seconds. The dad says "we don't tell anyone", but the cousin with hearing heard everything.

It's the night of the proposal between princess sister and big guy, and all kinds of contrivances occur where the hearing cousin blabs to everyone who blabs to everyone, and it becomes a self-fulfililng prophecy -- the marriage proposal fails miserably and everyone's powers are acting up.

Frumpy sees a rat taking one of the pieces of the glass vision shard behind a painting. It turns out it's on a hinge. She goes in and wanders across. She runs into Bruno who "saves" her from a very shallow pit. He lives in the walls it turns out. She tries to convince him to have another vision, and eventually with the help of the young cousin who talks to animals (the animals told him everything) they agree to have another vision. During the vision, they find a new clue, a butterfly that leads to the revelation that to save the miracle she needs to hug her sister. This pisses off frumpy because she thinks her sister is a primadonna. Bruno explains that it isn't about his sister, it's about her, she's the key to saving the miracle, and he slinks back into his picture.

Frumpy enters Princess Sister's room. Princess demands an apology, and Frumpy gives a half-hearted apology she immediately takes back. Ultimately Princess says she never wanted to marry big guy and was only doing it to help the family. A cactus pops up, which Princess had never done before. It starts a whole musical number asking about her limits if only she wasn't limited to the perfection the role she percieves herself to be trapped in. By the end of the musical, she's using her powers in brand new ways representing her new way of thinking of the world, and the two hug and the magic candle burns brighter than we've seen it.

Abuela comes into the house, and is livid. The house is a mess, Princess Sister is a mess, the proposal is ruined, and Abuela is trying to pin it entirely on frumpy. Frumpy is trying to explain what she did is helping and it's good but abuela won't hear it. Frumpy gets really mad, saying nobody in the house will ever be good enough, and giving her an earful causing the house to be destroyed by cracks. She tries to save the magical candle and heroically succeeds, but the candle has gone out by the time she gets to it.

Her mom checks if she's ok, and afterwards frumpy runs off to a lake far from the village and the now destroyed house.

Abuela comes and starts to explain the full history of the miracle, starting with meeting Abuelo(grandfather). They meet, they fall in love, they get married, they have triplets. There's political turmoil in the city they live in, and eventually they flee. Soldiers or something on horseback are chasing them, and Abuelo decides to go back to I guess trade pokemon cards? But obviously he doesn't have any good ones so they cut him down where he stands, and in that moment Abuela is emotionally crushed and the magical miracle occurs, the candle wiping the bad men away and changing the landscape to save everyone, and building their house.

After hearing this story, frumpy realizes that it was actually pretty hard for abuela and explains how she recognizes the pain and hardship they faced, and their periods sync up or something and suddenly they're both better and everything is better.

Bruno shows up and is like "It was me! Don't take it out on frumpy!" but Abuela just hugs Bruno.

When they get back, there's a brief thing where Bruno is reunited with everyone, and frumpy sings a song about how "stars don't shine they burn and constellations shift", presumably talking about how a status quo can't be maintained forever. Then the villagers show up to help rebuild the house. There's another musical number about working together to rebuild the house, and the wisdom their ordeal has granted them.

The last bit was the family singing about how special frumpy is and how hard she worked and how much she suffered, and the front door doesn't have a doorknob, so she has to put it on. After watching this movie 9001 times, it occurred to me that these silly mexicans don't even know you aren't supposed to install the door and close the door before you put the doorknob on! You can't just smoosh a doorknob onto the hole and expect it to alll... you know what? It's just a show, I should really just relax. Anyway, she puts the doorknob on and the house is magically restored to a magical house, and the movie ends.

The Moral of the story:

So there's an intended moral, I think.

The intended moral is about the hidden cracks caused by the misunderstandings between the family members and the undue stress being put on everyone by abuela's high expectations, and how frumpy brought everyone closer together.

One thing I do like is that Abuela constantly says that they must work hard to be worthy of the magical miracle they were given, which isn't wrong, even if within the context of the story she was setting the bar to asian parent.

The real moral is a lot more complicated.

Frumpy's main superpower is being too autistic to just go with the flow like everyone else.

One question I haven't been able to answer is whether frumpy actually did cause this. It seems like the cracks are a visual manifestation of the emotional distance between the different family members, and they started when she was feeling distant from her family because they all had gifts and she didn't. The cracks formed again because she brought the vision shards back together, and the house finally collapsed because she had a temper tantrum at abuela. It's like, great job breaking it hero.

All the men in this movie are impotent losers. You have a simp who only fawns over his wife, the weak man who can't even finish a speech without just repeating what his wife said, the emotionally fragile prophet who runs away and hides in the walls because people are mean to him, and the shapeshifter who does so little the story could have existed in its entirety without him. Abuelo's defining characteristic is basically dying while trying to trade pokemon cards with the soldiers. Big guy was just a macguffin for princess sister and later hearing cousin.

I feel like if the men had been more masculine then much of this story would have been avoided. None of the 5 living men in the main story exhibited masculine strength, and so that's were I interpret the women breaking down because they don't have those pillars in place. Great, Strong Sister is physically strong, but she's carrying a bunch of weak men and there's nobody there to support her emotionally. Great, Princess Sister is emotionally strong, but big guy let himself be a Macguffin putting all the burdens on her, barely existing as a person. Uncle Simp obviously cares for Weather Aunt, but as a simp he's micromanaging her mood instead of being the sort of pillar so she didn't need to be so neurotic. Frumpy's dad finally found his balls in one scene, but it was too late -- the time for him to act with strength was long before the house already collapsed.

And then there's Bruno. Let's talk about Bruno. He let himself be dominated by his mother well into his adulthood to the point that he let himself be bullied by his mother, bullied by the town, bullied by everyone. The way he talks is weak. The way he stands is weak. If he had found his own strength which in a masculine sense is doing the right thing regardless of what others think, then this whole story would have been different. In some ways, frumpy needed to take on the weight he refused to lift.

I can see a number of criticisms of Abuelo as a failure as a man. He was busy making googoo eyes at his girlfriend and wife instead of keeping his ear to the ground of potential hazards which resulted in only realizing far too late that there were problems, and when those problems manifested he had no ability to use force to protect his family -- no weapons, no weapons training, he just walked towards them with his hands up like he was going to trade pokemon cards with them. I'll say he was certainly courageous walking back unarmed to confront armed warriors on horseback, but courage alone was a death sentence for him and but for the magic miracle would have been a death sentence for his wife and three children.

Honestly though, I don't think all that was intentional. I think the writers of the story actually want men who are like the ones in the story so they can feel like they can step in.

Of course, in a postmodern age it's not necessarily true that traditional gender norms are desirable, but clearly my argument is that in the complete absence of men with traditionally masculine virtues, we can see the facts empirically in front of us that there is a massive stress put on the women who suddenly have to be both the men and the women. Even if abuela was the head of the household, strong men would be pillars she could rest her burden upon and that clearly was not the case.

Why do kids like it:

No doubt, it's the music. The music in this movie is great, and some of it even charted on billboards. The big musical numbers are also really decent. There's also some really nice visuals. I particularly liked the bored eyes on the donkeys during strong sister's song.

What do I think:

This movie is deeply imperfect. The climax of the film in particular is not earned in the least. Frumpy tears the family apart, knocks their house down, and one story from Abuela later everything is all better? I don't care how nice the music in that scene was, it didn't make any sense. As I discussed at length in the last section, the men were weak losers and that was required to drive the story forward.

But you know what? It's acceptable. Unlike Elemental where I felt it was deeply flawed and had no redeeming characteristics, I like the theme of family on display (even though the family is dysfunctional), I like the idea that being granted a miracle you have a responsibility to be worthy of that miracle, I like the music, I like the underlying concept of empathy where it turns out Strong Sister and Princess Sister weren't perfect or strong and once you got to know them just a little better you'd realize that.

Modern Hollywood has a serious problem depicting healthy families because so few people in Hollywood come from healthy families. You have to think there's something like a T-Rex in the rearview mirror for such peopleto run towards something so horrifying as Hollywood so wholeheartedly.

Moana is another Disney film with family as a theme, and while the father and Maui were both imperfect characters, they were both people with a measure of masculine strength. The father in that movie was trying to protect his daughter and his tribe, and Maui was somewhat childish, but still exhibited many masculine virtues. Moana was interesting as well in that despite disregarding the wishes of her father, she was honoring the sprit of her ancestors, which in my view maintains filial piety.

In the past, it wasn't unusual to see a family in a story, but even in anime which tends to try to portray more traditional values than postmodern hollywood, there's graveyards of dead parents so they don't get in your way while you go on your adventure.

Would I want to watch it 9001 times? Well.... At least the music is nice.

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Wow lol ok I stumbled across this on tubi. Couldn't fucking believe my man Nicholas cage would do anything for a buck.

But HOLY SHIT!

I watched the preview, and it actually looks really fucking good and super dam scary!

You gotta check this out and tell me what you think!

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Which one is scarier for you?

I can't care less for It, same for all the similar movies, it has good effects, a few well done jump scares, good fiction, but Fall is an absolute fuck no for me.

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Fuckin forgot about this movie dang...

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watching this. Been wanting to see it

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Watched this today. I liked it, not sure if I'm a fan of the ending though.

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It had potential. But I think the series was over with the previous movie

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