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Man in Indonesia stabs another man to death over debate on whether chicken or egg came first (mustsharenews.com)

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The two men did not know each other before meeting at a drinking spot, AKP La Ode Arsangka, Head of the Criminal Investigation Unit of Muna Police, told Kumparan.

As they drank, they began joking and exchanging riddles, including the classic debate over whether the chicken or the egg came first.

However, the perpetrator got emotional and left the gathering to get a sharp weapon at home.

When he returned, DR then brutally stabbed Kadir Markus 15 times, Kompas reported.

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[–] odium@programming.dev 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Eggs of other animals came before the chicken.

But let's only consider the chicken egg for argument's sake. The chicken is a product of evolution. At some point in its lineage, there's a chicken ancestor that was not considered a chicken that had a chicken child that is considered a chicken.

It is hard to define this precise line, but we do know that the line is a genetic difference. Genetic variations would happen in the chicken -> egg process, not the egg -> chicken process.

That is to say, a non-chicken could lay a chicken egg because of a genetic variation in the fertilization process. But a non-chicken egg cannot hatch a chicken because there is no genetic variation between the final state of the egg and the chicken that is hatched.

Q.E.D.

I will not literally die on this hill, please do not stab me. I will agree that the chicken came first if you come at me with a knife or other weapon.

[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago

I am not a birdologist, but I think the chicken came first.

The Non-Chicken Ancestor lays NCA eggs. The eggs begin as a cell of the NCA, and will be laid regardless of if they are fertilized. However, if the egg becomes fertilized, then it would be possible that a chicken matures within an NCA egg.

If Susan lays an egg and Geoffrey hatches from the egg, would you consider it to be Susan's egg or Geoffrey's egg? I believe it to be Susan's egg because possession is nine tenths of bird law and she clearly possesses the egg while nesting.

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago

Wouldn't you first have to identify the animal as a chicken? You can't do that when it is still just an egg. You first need to see it grow up and then you can say that it's a chicken. And that process could be influenced by developmental and environmental factors. That type of egg might have been laid many times, and yet no chicken came out. Only when a specific factor was introduced during its development was it triggered into being a chicken.