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[–] viking@infosec.pub 257 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Saying this about any corporation's product is guaranteed not to age well.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm grateful for FF, but they also annoy me at times. Just little stuff probably not worth bitching about in detail. But also a peek at the potential for problems that you're talking about.

So of course I'll bitch about it.

I call it the "stop whatever you think you'd rather do right now and pay attention to our product" type shit.

Imagine you have a combination wrench and whenever you take it out of the toolbox it starts yammering at you about how great of a wrench it is and all if its shiny features. Fucking ridiculous, right?

So why do we tolerate software that does that?

Way too much software does this pushy shit. Just stay outta my face and do your actual job, software.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Because people have the attention span of a goldfish and if you aren't reminding them every 5 seconds of the features they have available they'll forget they do in fact use them and then complain to support because they can't spend 5 seconds on the help page.

I say this, not in defense of mozilla, but in frustration at having to deal daily with these kinds of issues. You can put giant screen-size arrows on where to go / what single "do the thing" button to press and people will still forget 5 seconds later.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Good point. That's true, there is definitely that side of it. I think what you're talking about is less obnoxious than the stuff that feels forced and make-the-boss-happy promotional. Push notifcations for no reason, etc. It's a spectrum from necessary to uneccessary, and there's too much of the latter IMO.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We're so fucking used to ads we don't even always realize we're getting pushed propaganda

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Mmm mmm mmm, Bill Cosby tells me to love my puddin' pops!

........i feel sleepy......

[–] viking@infosec.pub 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Firefox is a foundation, not a corporation. And I'm already using Fennec instead of the official release.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

No. Firefox is a product. Mozilla is a corporation AND a foundation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation

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[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 month ago (6 children)
[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

This is the first I've heard of LibreWolf. Is it compatible with Windows 7? And also, why is it good?

[–] ivn@jlai.lu 66 points 1 month ago

You really shouldn't connect windows 7 to the internet.

[–] jrgd@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

https://librewolf.net/

A summary from its site and known technical details:

  • no telemetry by default
  • includes uBlock Origin
  • has sane privacy-respecting defaults
  • prepackages arkenfox user.js
  • relatively well-maintained fork of Firefox that keeps up with upstream
  • No major controversies AFAIK

As for Windows 7, nobody should really need to install Librewolf anyway on such a device. No device running Windows 7 should have access to the internet at this point. If you are asking about compatibility intending this use case, you have bigger problems to worry about than your choice of browser. If you just need to view HTML files graphically, even Internet Explorer or an older firefox ESR will do.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Looks like it should run on Windows.

Edit: sorry, didn't read far down enough. It's only built for Windows 10, but they recommend this?

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 21 points 1 month ago

You're overreacting. Firefox knows their users. I am a huge "stan" for Firefox, but I will delete it like a time traveller if they make it impossible to ignore ads. I will salt the earth and poop on Firefox's grave and actively avoid it everywhere... However. If I'm wrong, there will be a Next Thing...

[–] viking@infosec.pub 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah I'm using Fennec, which doesn't have that. But as long as it's a flick of a switch to disable, I don't really mind. Still a million times better than manifest v3.

[–] TerkErJerbs@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If you use a DNS solutions you can block all the telemetry shit. Frankly FF has been phoning home in a lot of undesirable ways for many years even before this, like most browsers.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Not entirely true.

[–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

At least link the full article and not just the headline... smh. Here is also the follow-up article with comments from Firefox's CTO. https://www.heise.de/en/news/Firefox-defends-itself-Everything-done-right-just-poorly-communicated-9802546.html

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Anyone else been having issues of not being able to load YouTube videos past the first few seconds on Firefox using ublock? I couldn't find any recent information online. I don't know if this is part of the war on ad blockers, or unrelated.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 5 points 1 month ago

It's been a side effect of the server side ads apparently, but reloading the page fixes it for me.

[–] errorlab@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, yesterday. I just kept refreshing. FF + unlock + not signed in, seems to trigger it

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

I watched several videos today on Firefox with ublock origin and no issues. Haven't run into issues with ads yet.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Haven't had that issue, nope

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