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You realize even if its isolated that if anything ever goes wrong at work, they have every right to take your phone yeah?
Never put work things on a personal phone. I don't know if im just lucky, or if you have every right to do this but; if work requires putting something on your phone, make them buy you a new phone, a work specific phone. I've had to sign a few contracts ensuring the phone lives, but I've atleast never had to hand over a personal phone for work.
(With the added benefit of being able to turn off my work phone and being fully free from work)
I dont see it being legal (at least in the US) that work can take your personal property. I had a whole battle with my previous employer over this with the Union being on my side. If you installed a program that belongs to them it can be uninstalled and then it is gone.
With at-will employment, it could be grounds for termination in many instances if you refuse
As a person who cares deeply about my own personal privacy and property I'd rather be terminated. I'd rather make my life harder and possibly go homeless than give up my rights or property. I know thats not what most people would prefer to do though.
If your phone contains company material they absolutely can and will. Including the US. You were only lucky because you had a union that was on your side. The vast majority of Americans are not in a union and would not be afforded this luxury.
Speaking of, it was actually my Union jobs that allowed me to demand a work specific phone. If I was in your position I would have demanded they give me a work phone if it required a work app
I'm sure you have a law to point, right? Because it sure sounds made up.
There is no law, because its not illegal to do. Or maybe I'm wrong and their is a law specifically saying its okay to do this.
Bottom line? Any time work has told me to get a work related app, or whenever it was hinted at, you can bet your ass that they'll have some you sign something as well.
I've also heard plenty of stories that this has happened. Don't learn the hard way by installing work related apps on your personal phone.
Not to mention the few times I've told work that I simply will not install a work related app, and have gotten work phones.
They have the right to take your property but that law isn't written anywhere? I agree you're wrong, but not on what you think
Yes, that is how contracts work, similar to how Terms and Conditions generally allow websites to take any data they'd like from you, and sign away rights like class action law suits. Contracts can also say that if you have work property on your phone, they have every right to take your phone.
You clearly have never worked somewhere where said company requires you to have a work app, and it shows.
Oooh, so now it's a contract thing... Still BS and made up, but I like how you backtrack.
And yes, I've worked in companies that require a work app. Some gave a phone, others allow to install in your. Current is a fortune 50 that allows installing on your own using Intune.
And you can be sure they are smart enough to not try to take away employee property because contracts with illegal terms are not enforceable, so they don't even try.
I guess you're used to being treated badly, in which case I'm sorry for you.
I guess in your case you're just financially secure enough to never have to worry.
I didn't back track at all, its always been a contract. I've seen this happen, and its the reason why I would never tell someone to ever allow company material on a personal phone, this isn't even some obscure advice, it should be well known.
Stop trying to sound like you know everything when you've specifically said you've never experienced this. It has happened, it can happen, it will happen. Put yourself in a safe position by never allowing company apps, material, email, anything on a personal phone.