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Nah they are wrong, Joe isn't a dumb guy, he's not doing what he's doing because he's some dumb meathead, he's doing it for money, fame, and to finally be part of the in-groups, which means power, he finally has a president(Trump) that accepts him and hob knobs with him.
Joe has always been a cynical self serving libertarian type, if you went back and listened or watched some of his old standup comedy you would get a better idea of how far Rogan has fallen, he's become a lot of what he hated. There was a time when people used to think that Joe would be the next George Carlin, now he's just a more palatable and successful Alex Jones.
You're reading way too much into it, his original stand up was never clever.
Who said it was clever? Joe didn't do clever comedy Joe did angry and cynical observational and political comedy. I'm not trying to call him clever or smart at all, he just isn't as dumb as the meathead everybody tries to make him out to be.
You said: "Joe isn't a dumb guy". So, he's not dumb, or clever, he just is. Like a rock.
Why do you keep trying to put your words in my mouth? If that's what I wanted to say I would have said it, but I didn't. I get that you want me to see things how you want me to see things but I don't, so how about just taking my words at face value?
Again, Joe isn't dumb, he's not being manipulated, and he absolutely knows who and what he's inviting onto his show and what affect they will have both in the broader media and to his critics and fans, Joe is just being a greedy self serving fuckwad, and it's working well for him so far.
You can underestimate your enemies on your own, but don't try to force me to make the same mistake you're making.
I just quoted you.
We disagree completely though, nothing about the way he presents himself suggests to me that this is calculated.
Clever isn't intelligence, you can be average or smart and not clever. You can also be a bit dumb but also a bit clever. They are 2 qualities that can interact but are nonetheless separate.
They are synonyms, at least where I am (the UK): https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/intelligent
It wasn't even good.
Haha holy shit, it's wild to even see Joe and George in the same sentance. It's like thinking maybe the PT Cruiser could be the spiritual successor to the 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 😂
People always think people they disagree with are more Machiavellian than they usually are.
He's not an idiot or anything, but he's pretty ignorant about a lot of topics, particularly science. He's quick on the uptake, but he isn't good at understanding how things fit together
That's fine, it's a fantastic way to do interviews. It's a stand-in for the audience - he says "I'm a dumb guy good at punching, so can you break it down really simple?" People that are sharp don't feel patronized, and people that are actually dumb feel it's much more approachable
The problem is somewhere along the way, Joe started believing people were there for him and not the guest, and he started doing more talking and less listening when he doesn't agree with what's being said (especially since he has some pretty bad takes)
Not that uncommon among standup comedians. Comics tend to view everything through the lens of "how can I get a joke out of this?" which is not a good mindset for trying to separate truth from bullshit. Even George Carlin said dumb shit from time to time.
I've watched Joe's old comedy and shows he's been on (Opie and Anthony) and don't remember anyone thinking he would be the next Carlin. Lewis Black and Jon Stewart I could see.
Louis CK is the most Carlin like imo. His bits on O&A were pure genius. Rogan's comedy is garbage tier.
Alex Jones is pushing it a bit but I get what you are saying