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So my understanding is that KBin.social is now gone from the internet for the indefinite future. Ernest, who meant well, simply could not keep up with the demands due to his personal life and the development issues that were cropping up all the time. Let me get ahead of any replies and say that it's perfectly reasonable to shut down a large instance if it's taking up your time and money or becoming a burden on your personal life. Personal health should always come before a bunch of random dudes/dudettes that happen to be on the internet. Additionally, it's a good reminder that developing software while also maintaining a large instance probably isn't a good idea and that you should probably make sure you're taking a reasonable amount of work off your plate.

But I can't help but feel like there's another story here regarding the potential risks of the fediverse: Admins need to be ready to migrate ownership to others who are willing to take on the financial or user account management burden. Additionally, there should be a larger focus on community migration features for more flexibility to sudden instance losses.

I managed a community that had partially migrated to Kbin after the great reddit exodus last year and managed to continue to admin said community up until a few months ago when Kbin's service became very very spotty. I understood Ernests' particular dilemma so I was willing to give it a month or two to figure out what actions I needed to take to migrate the community again, but enough time has passed now that I am no longer confident that Kbin will return to even a read-only, moderator only state. This means that whatever community I had there is now completely out of my control and the users might not know why posts have stopped entirely. Basically, I have to start from the ground up which might be OK but I'm not particularly keen to start it all over right now.

So this is basically a plea to the admins out there: If you are having trouble with management and need to stop, could you please give the community a vocal heads up so that whatever subcommunity happens to form on your site has some means of migrating? Additionally, software out there should have more policies for community migration, whether that's lemmy or mbin, as we never know when it might be necessary to migrate to a new domain under different ownership. Lastly, if there's an option to give ownership to others in the community, please consider it as it would really help the fediverse if admins were willing to migrate domain and databases to other users who are willing to carry the torch.

That's it from me for now, thanks for reading this minor rant. ๐Ÿค™

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[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

This happened with Firefish too, I was so disappointed.

yes but sharkey rose from the ashes :)

[โ€“] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Firefish isn't quite dead yet. There's a new maintainer and they're doing a pretty good job of keeping security patches, bug fixes, and progress to cleaning up and making the code more maintainable happen.

I've kept my instance up and it's like... fine?

[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh the domain is for sale though?

[โ€“] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's living at https://firefish.dev/firefish/firefish now. I don't think Naskya got the domains when they got the code maintainership, so all the previous domains are in the hands of who knows.

[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Oh ok. Firefish.social is up for sale though.

[โ€“] hiker@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Firefish istn't "quite dead" - see their git - development is going on and there is every one or two week a new stable version. https://firefish.dev/firefish/firefish

[โ€“] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Catodon picked up where Firefish left off too.

[โ€“] hiker@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The head developer has vanished and nobody has access anymore.

[โ€“] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It is! So is Catodon, the UI is fantastic.

[โ€“] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

The *key UIs are so refreshing

[โ€“] Fitik@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago

True, it's also a soft fork of Misskey (meaning that they stay upstream), so as long as Misskey is alive Sharkey should be alive as well

[โ€“] hiker@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Firefish is still alive - every week an update of the stable release! Why do you post here fake news?

[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm talking about Firefish.social, the microblog platform.

[โ€“] hiker@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And I am talking about the software Firefish which is still developed. So "Firefish is dead" is very unclear information.

[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Firefish the social microblog platform is gone.

[โ€“] hiker@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What nonsense. An instance is running here without any problems and with very frequent updates.

[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] hiker@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But where is the social media site? Firefish.social is gone and sold to someone else. I don't know what everyone is talking about here.

[โ€“] hiker@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Firefish" ist NOT a sole instance, it's a software which is running on different servers (see the list). Even if the instance firefish.social is no longer running, the software Firefish is still being developed and continues to run on many servers and therefore Firefish is not dead.

[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well the social platform is gone and that's what I meant.

[โ€“] hiker@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

And as already said - your "Firefish is dead" was wrong. It's only this platform - Firefish is developed and is running on a lot of servers.