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this seems like bad faith argumentation, can you offer specific names in "Rohingyas in Myanmar, the Muslims in Kashmir and so on" on the spot without any investigation?
also the characterization of no deaths and no fighting back is easily contradicted by the terror attacks. i wouldn't attempt to argue that the re-educational and deradicalization camps/schools the narrative revolves around are unrelated to those attacks.
anyway when you bring up the terror attacks it's relevant to make clear the US had the militant groups on the terror list & Uyghur prisoners in Guantanamo bay
Well I don't mean it in bad faith. I don't mean to put people on the spot with gotchas. I allow people to look into it as long as they want to. The point is that with both Kashmir and Rohingyas you can find confirmed kills, even massacres.
I don't understand this. Can you explain more?
there is a list here of terror attacks, mostly associated with the ETIM (East Turkestan Islamic Movement) shootings, bombings, car attacks
I still don't understand your point. Sorry. Do you mean to say that the terrorist attacks can be seen as the Uyghur people fighting back?
yes. those are uyghurs fighting the government, and many of them were killed i.e. martyrs. terrorist is just a political designation, many 'terrorists' can represent positive forces so simply arguing that being designated terrorist invalidates the ETIM is going to fall flat if you support or defend groups the US/Israel calls terrorist.
which is why US/NATO designations of uyghur terror groups as terrorists is an important factor
I can't say for sure that you are wrong. But the western consciousness does not acknowledge these terror attacks.
The last one happened in 2014 and the process of setting up reeducation centres happened after that, which is the foundation of the claims of genocide. Plus the terror attacks were terrorism in the rawest sense, which makes it almost impossible to frame them as a genuine struggle.
if you can get into the details of specific acts, ideology, and background of these groups it indeed is hard to argue. all i'm saying is your initial argument should not be presented in a way that makes you look like a fool through the simple addition of context prior to 2014. no one died? these ~~terrorists~~ freedom fighters died