this post was submitted on 18 Aug 2024
813 points (97.9% liked)

Fediverse

27729 readers
280 users here now

A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).

If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to !moderators@lemmy.world!

Rules

Learn more at these websites: Join The Fediverse Wiki, Fediverse.info, Wikipedia Page, The Federation Info (Stats), FediDB (Stats), Sub Rehab (Reddit Migration), Search Lemmy

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Probably better to post in the github issue rather than replying here.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4967

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hmmm ... is it not really possible at all? Just riffing here ... the identity of a voter isn't necessary, just a means to ensure the uniqueness of a voter so there's no duplication etc. So ... could a hash of the voter's ID be distributed with the vote to prevent duplication?

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Hmmm … is it not really possible at all?

In ActivityPub, no, not at the moment.

How would you verify that such a hash is coming from a real user? What if an instance sends 1000 fake hashes as votes? Also you could still correlate hashes and figure out who is behind the hash by looking at voting patterns of that hash.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What if an instance sends 1000 fake hashes as votes?

What's the difference from users though?

You'd give each user an anonymous vote ID that only the instance can link back to their username.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What’s the difference from users though?

Imagine you have 500 users that consisently upvote each other and 500 users that vote randomly on different posts. If you jumble up those 500+500 in 1000 random hashes, it becomes impossible to distinguish who is part of the voting ring and who isn't.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Hence why I gave a solution. It would simply become spam that should be handled by the instance where it originates from.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yea ... that makes sense. Thanks!

Still ... intuitively it feels like if the "threadiverse" platforms weren't so concerned with interoperating with the likes on microblogging platforms, they could come up with a system that involved only sharing total vote numbers from their instance without any idenfifying metadata.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 points 1 month ago

Only sharing aggregate votes could also lead to a lot of issues with vote manipulation, as it is very easy to manipulate such an aggregate.

I agree that ActivityPub is biased around microblogging though. For all its flexibility and universality, it is surprisingly catered to that use case.