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[-] iamak@infosec.pub 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I hope that the DMA gets passed in the EU. It'll (hopefully) break the monopoly worldwide

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Interoperability is a weird one though. Imagine WhatsApp can connect to Signal, and people use this feature. What would then be the point of using Signal, if WhatsApp gets the data after all?

(Signal has already announced not wanting to support this, I just used it as an example)

[-] Knusper@feddit.de 9 points 10 months ago

As I understand it, your example should be the other way around. WhatsApp will need to offer a public API to allow Signal to send and receive messages to/from WhatsApp users.

Signal is unlikely to be deemed a gatekeeper, so can keep their closed communication ecosystem. They can just optionally choose to support interop with WhatsApp. If they prefer, they can also have big warning signs in the UI, when their users decide to utilize that interop.

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Whatever way it works, I could see people giving up certain services if they allow interoperability with the gatekeepers, because why use these alternatives then.

But then again, the services that take privacy seriously won't do it in the first place, so it should be a non-issue.

[-] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

I just don’t want to be tied to an apple device to Message people who only have iMessage. I live outside of the US but all my family, friends, and contacts are there.

I feel locked into iOS as international texting and calls would be so expensive.

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Both Apple and Google need to get their shit together on this one, put their pride aside and agree on a standard.

[-] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

I’m an apple user, but I really think the issue is being created by apple. They talked about doing iMessage on android and then someone else was like no we can’t we want people to be locked into their iPhone.

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Oh, it's both. They both act like insufferable little kids with that

[-] iamak@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago

Google has also kept RCS proprietary. Google shares the blame as well imo

[-] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

Thanks, I didn’t know that. I thought it was an open standard.

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago

The point is that anyone could switch at any time and we wouldn't have to make switch all at once.

There would be real competition.

[-] iamak@infosec.pub 3 points 10 months ago

True. However there are certain advantages

WhatsApp gets only a part of your data (coz many people might be on different apps)
You don't have to run WhatsApp on your device so they can't collect that data either

I know it's not perfect but better than the current scenario and a step in the right direction

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Since WhatsApp is proprietary, we don't know if the users are the only ones who can decrypt their messages. I'll always have to assume Meta can read everything, which is the most sensible data they could possibly collect.

So that alone should be reason enough to avoid it.

[-] iamak@infosec.pub 3 points 10 months ago

Yes. I don't endorse WhatsApp. What I meant is if you chat with 15 people out of which 5 use WhatsApp, only those 5 chats are potentially readable by Meta. Because those are the only chats which will get sent to Meta servers.

So you have the benefit that the other 10 chats are not readable by Meta.

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah, true. And concerning your name and phone number, they probably already have that too, one way or another.

[-] iamak@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago

At this point I just assume Meta, Google and Apple have my number due to people storing the number on their devices. Amazon also might have it because people might have paid me via Amazon Pay (and given it access to contacts).

[-] Twink@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

I prefer Signal to Whatsapp. IDC about Whatsapp having my data. The point is choosing the app which most suits your needs and wants.

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

So what needs do you have outside of a different look? Privacy doesn't seem to be one of them, and the two apps are very similar otherwise.

[-] Twink@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

So I can use one app I like and message or call anyone I need to reach without having to set up 10 accounts.

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Fair enough. Won't work with Signal though, they've stated that they will never open up

[-] Twink@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Signal is irrelevant. It's just an example. I can try Telegram or any other app.

[-] Risk@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Oh man, I hadn't heard of the DMA before. How exciting!

[-] iamak@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago

I only heard of it because I follow Matrix blog.

I saw the technical discussions (if you are a tech person I would recommend watching those on YT) and it seems that EU is trying to find some middle ground where companies won't have to incur a lot of losses but still be open and create a fair environment for newcomers.