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“What was very shocking was that while we were all in the room discussing and listening to people impacted by what’s happening in Gaza, we’re not certain that that message will get across to the people at the top of the party,” Khader added. “You look at the themes of the party’s convention – today, tomorrow, Wednesday, and Thursday – there’s nowhere where Palestinians are included in that narrative.”

While the platform condemned former President Donald Trump for refusing to “endorse the political aspirations of the Palestinian people,” it made no divergence from the status quo policy of vetoing UN Security Council resolutions this year that moved towards Palestinian statehood.

While the platform boasts of being opposed to settler violence, it makes no acknowledgment of the International Court of Justice finding the Israeli government’s occupation and illegal expansions of settlements constitute apartheid.

And to that end, while the platform condemns UN efforts that apparently “single out” Israel, and the Boycott, Divest, and Sanctions movement for the same – apparently ignoring the historical precedent of Americans also boycotting and pushing divestment against fossil fuel companies and apartheid South Africa.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Show me where they support the use of weapons for genocide. It's cool, I can wait.

Oh, you can't because they don't.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

The weapons are unconditional. Therefore they are okay for them being used in any way Israeli regime deems fit.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

That doesn't mean they have stated they support genocidal action.

My kid was going through a bad patch and asked me to hold on to his gun for him. If I had used that to rob a bank, he would not be complicit in bank robbery.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago

No, but if you had already robbed a dozen banks and then your kid gave you another gun he would definitely be complicit.

[–] BRINGit34@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not reasonable to argue with someone without reason. No matter what anyone says it will never change your mind. You are unwilling to call out an administration complicit in genocide. You need to reconsider your morals

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

What morals? These crackers don't have morals, they just have desires.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

It says it right in the article I linked

Unless you're saying Biden is not sending weapons for Genocide too... Surely you're not a Genocide denier right?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Sending weapons != "please use these for genocide". Try again.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

So you're saying you don't believe israel is committing Genocide with American weapons?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel will commit genocide with or without American weapons. It's what they do.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Israel cannot commit Genocide without American weapons. You were linked an article proving that on r/Politics, surely you read that article.

But even that is entirely irrelevant as the Democrats could be not-complicit in Genocide by not sending weapons to israel. Can you explain why they are sending 2,000 pound bombs to israel?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They absolutely can and do.

See their policy of bulldozing the homes of the families of the people who oppose them. No US provided bulldozers necessary.

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/24/what-is-israels-bulldozer-strategy-in-the-occupied-west-bank

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure why you keep pivoting to 'they could do it without Democrats'. But at least try not to be wrong in every example you give

The IDF Caterpillar D9 — nicknamed Doobi (Hebrew: דובי, for teddy bear) — is a Caterpillar D9 armored bulldozer used by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). It is supplied by Caterpillar Inc. and modified by the Israel Defense Forces

Whether israel can commit Genocide without American weapons is not relevant to Democrats giving them weapons to commit Genocide with.

If Adolf Hitler could commit Genocide without Krupp manufacturing weapons and Zyklon B it does not make Krupp "not complicit" for doing so. Sending 2000 pound bombs to an active Genocide makes

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Because, Israel is intent on illegally occupying every square inch of Gaza and the West Bank and they don't care how many people they have to kill to seize that territory. US policy has nothing to do with it, they do not care what we think, they're doing it anyway.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

America is proving the weapons and legal cover for israel to do that.

You keep doing that magical leap to somehow the Democrats not being complicit despite them clearly being complicit in the Genocide israel is committing.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

All American administrations do this, it's not "The Democrats".

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay good now you've admitted the the entire American administration are complicit in Genocide minus maybe 4 Democrats and Thomas Massie.

Now the question is. what is Leahy Law and why is it not applied to israel yet? Because it sure seems there's a lot of laws preventing sending weapons to a Genocide.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Because we don't apply laws to Israel. Nobody does. It has to do with Evangelicals and end times bullshittery.

Israel has to exist so Jesus can come back, and all that.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

But wait your argument is that Democrats are not complicit in Genocide.

So the Democrats are not complicit in Genocide because... Jesus has to come back to earth?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm saying no US politician, for 78 years, will dare go against the Israeli lobby and the Evangelical voting block. It's not about genocide, it never has been. It's about money and power. Always has been.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

I’m saying no US politician, for 78 years, will dare go against the Israeli lobby and the Evangelical voting block.

Because few people were willing to withhold their vote for it.

Would be a shame if there were moderators on forums censoring political discussions when people are willing to do so.

Almost like they want to hide the complicity in Genocide because it could stop people voting for their party of preference.

Holy reading comprehension, Batman.