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How do you make someone understand that being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is not a good thing? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 months ago by index@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Then why would Russia attack Ukraine? Especially since they had already agreed to let go of their nukes and not join NATO. Just let them be then.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you bother reading the paper I linked, it explains it in great detail. But if you don't believe RAND, then here's the head of NATO explaining it in black and white

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm

The sheer intellectual dishonesty of pretending that this was about anything other than NATO expanding to Russia's border even when top NATO officials openly admit this to be the case is truly astonishing.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

Haha sorry I'll save your link to read later

[–] vintageballs@feddit.org -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You seem to misunderstand your own sources. What you cited only proves how utterly insane Russia's conditions were / are. Of course NATO won't let Pootin blackmail them into giving up their stations etc.

Russia and brainwashed tankies like yourself always seem to reject the notion that former Soviet nations are actually sovereign and might have an interest in increasing their defensive strength in light of, wait for it, HISTORY.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Nah I understand my own sources just fine. Meanwhile, anybody with a functioning brain can understand that countries overrun but US propaganda and reliant on US military protection are in no way sovereign. Figures that radlib like you wouldn't even understand what sovereignty means.