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[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

my point is that America didn't just recently "become fascist" through some gamer social reactionary tantrum. America has always been a fascist state and was doing medical experiments on black people against their will and running slave penal colonies for hundreds of years. Westerners really don't understand that America didn't just "become fascist" it IS fascist at its core and always has been, and stuff like Gamergate are just tiny symptoms not causes

I really don't like it when people try to blame everything on Trumpism and act like it's an anomaly and we were less fascist beforehand. It's even done here, and in the "99% hitler vs 100% hitler" memes. Hitler was 50% as fascist as America. We are worse and more successful at being evil and fascist. Hitler looked to us for inspiration and failed to reach our level.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't say it was a solitary movement in a vaccuum with no precedent; I said it was a nudge further into a new development beyond what was already there.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

There's an argument to be made that GG was responsible for neo-fascism blooming in the west.

This comment from SorosFootSoldier was the one I primarily took issue with. Naive, idealist and really lib-coded comment if you ask me, and then you adding on agreeing and saying that GG caused Trump (which caused Fascism) is what made me mention how silly this entire "analysis" was. Biden is equally as fascist as Trump, all the anti-GG libs who are now zionists are equally as much fascists as their GG counterparts (See: Brianna Wu)

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wasn't going there myself. These things are intersectional, connected, and while they don't start in a vacuum, they also don't have singular exclusive causes or influences.

Like if someone just barks "material conditions" and completely ignores the effect of propaganda, they are clearly missing the difference between people of roughly the same economic conditions where one group has many more members that decide to embrace fascism than the other group. not-immune-to-propaganda

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

at some point you are going to need to reconcile with reality that some gamers getting mad about boobies online and harassing some journalists is absolutely nothing in the world historical scale. You also can't respond to the "anti-fascist" anti-GG side becoming all pro-genocide libs now who are also fascists.

I wasn't just saying "material conditions" I'm pointing out exactly how both of your analysis is flawed because its saying that we became fascist or became more fascist, which never happened.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

is absolutely nothing in the world historical scale

Sometimes a nudge is just that: a nudge.

Something can be small but outright dismissing it as nothing approaches thought-termination instead of analysis.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

a nudge towards WHAT?!? TRUMP = BIDEN. They are the same. They nudged nothing nowhere, America went from 100% fascist to 100% fascist.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

a nudge towards WHAT?!? TRUMP = BIDEN

6-3 decisions on the Supreme Court are directly worsening already bad material conditions for most people now living in the United States. A slow decay versus a fast decay is still a difference.

Again, chanting about absolute equivalencies is just sounding downright dismissive and hostile right now. You're not even really doing analysis at this point, just being really mad at people.

EDIT: Adding in what I meant by that.

What I was getting at is that the razon-thin margins (that even surprised the ruling class backers of the Clinton campaign) of Trump's victory meant that even small nudges of further interest and commitment to his cause were enough to secure him four years of court appointments. Judges in the US were already bad, but a lot of shifts in the court chemistry made a lot of once-unimaginable shifts in ruling precedent happen with, yes, 6-3 rulings for the most part up to the present day.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i mean just come out and say you are a lesser evil electoralist and you support the DNC if that's what you're getting at

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No.

If you're going to conjure piles of straw, set them ablaze, then scream at them while cursing my name, I think this conversation has run its course.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Your entire argument is that GG made the US fascist, and putting in red fascist judges instead of blue fascist judges is a huge thing we should care about. You westerners really just don't understand how evil ALL of your politicians are, going from one piece of shit to another isn't a huge terrible apocalypse it's business as usual

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

I suppose you didn't get the hint. I'll have to say it directly.

I'm disengaging.