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[–] Linktank 43 points 3 weeks ago (125 children)

If only there were some kind of way for it to not devolve into totalitarian dictatorship...

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

lucky u, there is; its called just doing the fucking thing like normal, cuz non of the historical examples did that so u know.

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[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"devolve"

Big fan of Tsarist Russia, Feudal China, Colonial Japan, and Batista Cuba I take it.

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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

If only there were some kind of way for liberals to learn the actual histories of AES states...

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

There is, and most have, despite imperial core propaganda to the contrary. Here’s a 1955 CIA report that was declassified in 2008.

Even in Stalin’s time there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the Communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the Communist power structure. Stalin, although holding wide powers, was merely the captain of a team and it seems obvious that Khrushchev will be the new captain.

“Totalitarian” is itself propaganda: The Origins of Totalitarianism

Hannah Arendt came from wealth and so unsurprisingly was anticommunist. Her work was financially supported and promoted by the CIA. “Totalitarianism” is a bourgeois liberal, anticommunist construct for the purposes of equivalating fascism and communism.

Monthly Review, The CIA and the Cultural Cold War Revisited

U.S. and European anticommunist publications receiving direct or indirect funding included Partisan Review, Kenyon Review, New Leader, Encounter and many others. Among the intellectuals who were funded and promoted by the CIA were Irving Kristol, Melvin Lasky, Isaiah Berlin, Stephen Spender, Sidney Hook, Daniel Bell, Dwight MacDonald, Robert Lowell, Hannah Arendt, Mary McCarthy, and numerous others in the United States and Europe. In Europe, the CIA was particularly interested in and promoted the “Democratic Left” and ex-leftists, including Ignacio Silone, Stephen Spender, Arthur Koestler, Raymond Aron, Anthony Crosland, Michael Josselson, and George Orwell.

If fact almost all of the “Western left” (that wasn’t repressed by the red scares) was captured by the imperial core’s propaganda machine: Imperialist Propaganda and the Ideology of the Western Left Intelligentsia: From Anticommunism and Identity Politics to Democratic Illusions and Fascism

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Rather than placing absolute power of The State in one person's hands, start with an elected council of members whose number is not divisible by 2. Transition to a Stateless co-op arrangement. Congratulations you just implemented Communism the way it is intended to be implemented, and no dictator could screw it up.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds great. Unfortunately it has never succeeded for more than a few months. The last 100+ years have shown that attempting to transition to socialism in that manner doesn’t work. Each time the bourgeoisie manages quickly regain control of the state. Given that the worldwide capitalist class still holds a great majority of the power, siege socialism is the only method to have had any successes to date.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The Six Nations have been using a form of communism, not Marxism, for somewhere between 15,000 to 25,000 years. Works pretty well for them. Aboriginal Australians have done the same for roughly 60,000 years.

I'd say capitalism is the short lived and failed economic system, considering that it's about 400 years old and rapidly failing.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

The Six Nations have been using a form of communism, not Marxism, for somewhere between 15,000 to 25,000 years. Works pretty well for them. Aboriginal Australians have done the same for roughly 60,000 years.

Sure, they had what Marxists call “primitive communism,” but they don’t now. They’re as captured by capitalism as we.

I’d say capitalism is the short lived and failed economic system, considering that it’s about 400 years old and rapidly failing.

I doubt it will fall on its own any time soon, especially if no one builds something to replace it.

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