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Hey all,

In light of recent events concerning one of our communities (/c/vegan), we (as a team) have spent the last week working on how to address better some concerns that had arisen between the moderators of that community and the site admin team. We always strive to find a balance between the free expression of communities hosted here and protecting users from potentially harmful content.

We as a team try to stick to a general rule of respect and consideration for the physical and mental well-being of our users when drafting new rules and revising existing ones. Furthermore, we've done our best to try to codify these core beliefs into the additions to the ToS and a new by-laws section.

ToS Additions

That being said, we will be adding a new section to our “terms of service” concerning misinformation. While we do try to be as exact as reasonably able, we also understand that rules can be up to interpretation as well. This is a living document, and users are free to respectfully disagree. We as site admins will do our best to consider the recommendations of all users regarding potentially revising any rules.

Regarding misinformation, we've tried our best to capture these main ideas, which we believe are very reasonable:

  • Users are encouraged to post information they believe is true and helpful.
  • We recommend users conduct thorough research using reputable scientific sources.
  • When in doubt, a policy of “Do No Harm”, based on the Hippocratic Oath, is a good compass on what is okay to post.
  • Health-related information should ideally be from peer-reviewed, reproducible scientific studies.
    • Single studies may be valid, but often provide inadequate sample sizes for health-related advice.
    • Non-peer-reviewed studies by individuals are not considered safe for health matters.

We reserve the right to remove information that could cause imminent physical harm to any living being. This includes topics like conversion therapy, unhealthy diets, and dangerous medical procedures. Information that could result in imminent physical harm to property or other living beings may also be removed.

We know some folks who are free speech absolutists may disagree with this stance, but we need to look out for both the individuals who use this site and for the site itself.

By-laws Addition

We've also added a new by-laws section as well as a result of this incident. This new section is to better codify the course of action that should be taken by site and community moderators when resolving conflict on the site, and also how to deal with dormant communities.

This new section provides also provides a course of action for resolving conflict with site admin staff, should it arise. We want both the users and moderators here to feel like they have a voice that is heard, and essentially a contact point that they can feel safe going to, to “talk to the manager” type situation, more or less a new Lemmy.World HR department that we've created as a result of what has happened over the last week.

Please feel free to raise any questions in this thread. We encourage everyone to please take the time to read over these new additions detailing YOUR rights and how we hope to better protect everyone here.

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#80-misinformation

https://legal.lemmy.world/bylaws/

Sincerely,

FHF / LemmyWorld Operations Team


EDIT:

We will be releasing a separate post regarding the moderation incident in the next 24-48 hours, just getting final approval from the team.

EDIT 2 (2024-08-31):

We've posted a response, sorry for the delay.

👉 https://lemmy.world/post/19264848 👈

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

While I disagree with the stance the vegans took in this. The ~~mods~~ admins reaction to the situation was way out of proportion, and it definitely seems like you're updating the ToS to justify what he did retroactively instead of addressing his behavior, which was way out of line.

[–] Cyanocobalamin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the stance the vegans took in this

That it's as of now difficult, needs a carefully formulated and supplemented diet, needs regular vet checks, but is possible?

[–] TheIvoryTower@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is there anywhere I can see the original post? I feel like there is a fair point to be made that a vegan diet for cats could be possible.

I support the removal of misinformation, but surely that is a fair point to make.

[–] Cyanocobalamin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Here's the post: https://lemmy.world/post/18691022

The "harmful misinformation" that got removed by an admin are Omniforous' and naevaTheRat's comments, which have been restored by mods.

[–] cristo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have a tldr on the situation?

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I wasn't party to it from the start since I'm not a vegan and I didn't see the original discussion, but from my understanding: Vegans were having a discussion on the possibilities and risks of vegan cat food, in the vegan community Lemmy world. A Lemmy world admin invaded that discussion and started using his admin/mod powers to push his unsubstantiated opinion on the subject and silence the voice of users who had another opinion. And now apparently there's new rules being added to justify that kind of admin behaviour.

And this is also apparently not the first time that that admin abused their mod powers, since I read a few comments in this thread saying something like "oh, an admin abusing mod powers, that's probably going to be xxx again".

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, yes I did. Thanks

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't know what the Admin did, but it feels hard to imagine it was "way out of proportion", given that forcing a cat to live vegan is unhealthy, potentially deadly and definitely animal abuse

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You can literally go read what he did. I'm not going to have the same debate here that they had over in the vegan community thread.