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I have no clue why all these normal, non-racist non-political people still use twitter. It was bought for the obvious purpose of providing a safe space for conservatives, racists, incels, and other outcasts to society. Mastodon is a perfect replacement for it, and you can pick an instance that suits you. It isn't owned by a mentally unstable billionaire!
I agree with this assessment for the most part but one side of me plays devil’s advocate on this:
I sort of came to realize in the end that it was possibly purchased to push all leftists off the platform, allowing Musk to compete with Google and Facebook in heavily manipulating and censoring discourse in American society (and let’s be clear, they did. Just because it was an attempt to help “the good guys in the DNC” by Google and Facebook doesn’t make it not an open and shut case of treasonous manipulation of discourse.
As an absolutely prolific Twitter user pre-2016, I was very quick to leave….but at the same time, I eventually came to the sad conclusion that Xitter (pronounced Shitter) actually does need leftist voices as long as it exists. IMO, it (and Google and Facebook) should be dissolved, open sourced, decentralized, and socialized for the crime of treason/undermining democracy.
We (people of the fediverse with a strong sense of integrity) basically fled to our own decentralized, open source platform where we have 1 millionth of the reach with our voices. Being around such a cesspool where astroturfers working for Progressive think tanks and their conservative buddies would gaslight me about the popularity of things like Single Payer or student loan reform…which was not great for my well-being…But let’s not pretend that leftists that remain on the platform are bad people for doing so. An echo chamber has a way of brainwashing people. So, conservatism would be even stronger had more of our brethren not stayed.
Just a small counterpoint. I strongly dislike conservatism and the conservative ethos of “fuck you, got mine”…but perhaps they were playing 4D chess with us a bit.
Everyone from the lemmy.blahaj.zone instance that I've interacted with or seen have been trolls. Those guys are super weirdos idk what their deal is. It's baffling seeing what they claim to stand for
I thought they were supposed to be a pro-trans, inclusive community but I'm thinking it's mostly just astro-terfing trolls. Kinda like ml or lemmygrad or beehaw aren't really leftists, just pro-authoritarian incoherent apologist edgelords.
It's like they're not even trying to interact with good faith.
I wouldn't be shocked if it was astro-terfing
Tell me more about Beehaw, I know about the trouble with lemmy.ml and lemmygrad, but so far haven't heard anything about Beehaw.
Well, beehaw is kinda like ml but less hinged at times. I don't block instances, only users and communities. Some of beehaws communities are quite good and friendly. The politics ones...well, I don't see those anymore.
Sometimes it feels like there grownups in there who grasp nuance and empathy and at other times it feels like it's full of ex-4channers who think they've grown up.
Look at that! We both win!
Made sense to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
Twitter hasn't dropped below the critical mass of users necessary for the system to become useless. It's still a major artery of media and social commerce, just one that's been littered with landmines. Yes, its far more dangerous and difficult to navigate now, but its still better than posting into the uninhabited wilderness that is Bluesky or the exact same basket of shitty engagement posts that is Threads.
Counterpoint: Twitter will continue to maintain a critical mass of users until enough people move somewhere else to make it irrelevant. Continuing to use it only serves to further credentialize the platform, making it even less likely that users will find a new home someplace else.
The vast majority of users don't care whether the platform is credentialized or not.
Respectfully, you were the one who pointed out the impact of the Network Effect.
Thus, users don't need to understand the credentials of the platform if the network effect is strong enough, but as users leave the network, the value (credentials) of the platform as a whole decreases.
Another way to think about it is that the amount Twitter "matters" is directly related to how much we collectively agree it matters. While not directly transferable, I'd suggest that Keynes' Animal Spirits concept can help us to understand why this might be the case - prevailing attitudes towards a platform can have a profound impact on their value.
Is it actually better than nothing though?
Either these are tolerant folks or someone we might be better off if they stayed on 4twitter.
It's still usable if you're not on English side of Twitter.
For example, recent Indonesian political movement relied on Twitter for discussion and updates. Mastodon or any fediverse is simply too niche and most people don't have money to fund local general instance. There were several local fedi instance (Mastodon and Lemmy), but all of them quickly dead for low donation.
Japanese-side is still alive (in positive manner) but people are making backup account on Bluesky and Japanese Misskey instances.
The otherwise sensible people I know who are still on Twitter all say it's because of a specific interest or group, and the community of people around it who are all on there as well. They all hate what it's become but put up with it because nobody is sure where else to go.
There's also a sense of FOMO when it comes to realtime news updates. Until government, news media, and personalities go somewhere and take all their followers with them, it will be hard to break away.
Idk either. But it’s really easy to stay where you’re used to, rather than do the work to set something new up
Very true, but at the same time I feel that it's a place where I won't get censored just because google randomly thought my comment was offensive
People get censored on Twitter all the time.