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[–] roboto@feddit.org -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know why you put holy in quotation marks, it is absolutely holy for Muslims so that’s just a fact.

And yes I have read a decent bit of the Quran. Unlike you I understand that there’s a level of complexity in such texts that only scholars can grasp who have both deep knowledge of the Arabic language and knowledge about the historic context of different passages.

I’m 100% sure that neither you nor me are capable of truly understanding the Quran so I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to tell us.

[–] electro1@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don’t know why you put holy in quotation marks, it is absolutely holy for Muslims so that’s just a fact

It is a fact... but you know what's also a fact ? It's not holy for the other 4199 religions, and athiests as well

Unlike you I understand that there’s a level of complexity in such texts that only scholars can grasp who have both deep knowledge of the Arabic language and knowledge about the historic context of different passages.

I speak Arabic fluently my guy, It's not enough to read, all muslims read the Quran, yet they don't understand it, they even struggle to stay awake while they do.. might I add.. I feel like you have fallen for the spell of these scholars which states that only someone who studied Islam can critize Islam and correct it.. that's completely nonsense

knowledge about the historic context of different passages.

That's a bug not a feature, Quran prides itself by saying it's easy to digest, the fact that you're saying it's complexe shows your lack of research

I’m 100% sure that neither you nor me are capable of truly understanding the Quran

Nor do those scholars that you speak of, I have read their books too :) , why do you think there's so many sects and subsects in Islam, and why do you think they kill eachother ? Why do you think the companions of Mohammed killed each other ? And why do you think the Quran is so confusing in the first place ? Heck... Even those "scholars" fight amongst each other.. till this day

so I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to tell us.

Ok I'll be blunt ... It's violent, it orders muslims to kill non muslims ( non believers ), it's full of scientific ethical, logical errors and fallacies.. And when you cross refence it with the hadith ( the word of Mohammed ) it's gets 100x times worse..

It's full of homophobia, pedophilia, sexism, racism..etc .. Flat earth ? Yes

I think you're either a muslim, who's playing around, or you live in the west and see a particular image of that religion, I'm sure you're seeing the friendly image..

My point is, don't say fascism and point the finger at the right suspect

[–] roboto@feddit.org -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Instead of wondering who or what I am you should ask yourself why you’re so obsessed with one particular religion to a point that you’re doing all sorts of mental gymnastics and spreading misinformation in order to justify your bigoted world view.

[–] electro1@infosec.pub 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

your bigoted world view

Islam is an ideology, just like christianity, just like jewism.. you can critize it, sure it will hurt feelings.. but it's better than keeping people living in delusions, it affects us all

most people if not all who jump to these conclusions about someone they just met online confuse criticizing an ideology with race and culture, to them anyone who says something critical about Eastern cultures is bigoted ( but not about christianity, the hypocrisy ... but it's not like i care ), someone can be an Arab + muslim, they can also be Athiest + Arab, you need to separate the idea from the person..

why you’re so obsessed with one particular religion

to correct misinformed people like you.. for the most part

you’re doing all sorts of mental gymnastics and spreading misinformation

It's not enough to say misinformation and just be silent, go on... show us where ?

wondering who or what I am

I'm treating you with the respect that you might not deserve by giving u something called "human connection", when you talk to someone about ideologies it helps to know where they're coming from, to not be too harsh.. for example if you're a muslim living in the west, I won't be too direct like this, because I know how much it means to you... by default I don't have to do that, because I know what I'm talking about