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My problem with atheism (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 months ago by platypus_plumba@lemmy.world to c/atheism@lemmy.world
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First of all, I have more in common with atheists than religious people, so my intention isn't to come here and attack, I just want to hear your opinions. Maybe I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you if I am. I'm just expressing here my perception of the movement and not actually what I consider to be facts.

My issue with atheism is that I think it establishes the lack of a God or gods as the truth. I do agree that the concept of a God is hard to believe logically, specially with all the incoherent arguments that religions have had in the past. But saying that there's no god with certainty is something I'm just not comfortable with. Science has taught us that being wrong is part of the process of progress. We're constantly learning things we didn't know about, confirming theories that seemed insane in their time. I feel like being open to the possibilities is a healthier mindset, as we barely understand reality.

In general, atheism feels too close minded, too attached to the current facts, which will probably be obsolete in a few centuries. I do agree with logical and rational thinking, but part of that is accepting how little we really know about reality, how what we considered truth in the past was wrong or more complex than we expected

I usually don't believe there is a god when the argument comes from religious people, because they have no evidence, but they could be right by chance.

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Being attached to current facts is the rational thing to do. Of course they are going to become obsolete, but if a prehistoric man was convinced that black holes exist, it wouldn't be a genius, but a guy with irrational beliefs. You can be "right' for wrong reasons, that is not a valid reason to decide that current knowledge is worthless.

In the end you can believe in god if you want, but the rational thing is to not believe in god as long as there is no evidence of its existence. But of course not everything needs to be rational, and if believing in god makes one feel better about their life, why not. As long as it doesn't impact others badly obviously.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Current knowledge isn't worthless but it isn't necessarily what's true. Just keep an open mind about that and you might realize that you don't really know what's true. So, you don't really know if there's a creator.

Based on your experience and rational though you believe there is no god, but you don't know. It is still a belief.

[–] Hobbes@startrek.website 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Again, do you hold a belief that there are no unicorns? No teapot orbiting Venus? No people with superhero powers? You see how this list could be practically infinite.

Are you going to hold all those negative beliefs in your head all the time? Worry about them? Live your life based on them?

Worrying about countless things that have no evidence of existing is a lot of work and pretty impractical. Hence why most non-delusional people with at least some critical thinking skills restrict themselves to only considering things for which there is some evidence.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Do you believe there's no superposition because you've never seen a cat dead and alive at the same time?

Reality is more complex that these thought experiments. I honestly find the unicorn argument to be a mockery of what I'm trying to say but I'll play along.

I do not believe in unicorns because they are supposed to live on earth, yet billions of humans have never seen them. There's no fossil evidence, it was common for people to create mythical creatures in the past, we understand their origins through history.....

You see, all of these things are clear human understanding. The existence and nature of reality isn't something we can reason about like that. So you keep trying to establish equivalence between two different things. One is human and mundane, the other one deals with the origin of reality.