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Incase anyone tells you that lemmy.ml is not a tankie instance.

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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 33 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Time to block an instance :p

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Hard agree. The Fediverse would be much healthier if more instances defederated Hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml. They constantly spread propaganda for violent dictators.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

I find Lemmy.ml users tolerable, mostly. At least, not significantly worse than other instances. It's the admins and mods that concern me. It's why I avoid .ml communities like the plague.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Time for other instances to defederate. Blocking an instance on the user-level unfortunately isn't the same as instance-level defederation.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yea, lemmy is a bit of a mess. And from some interactions I've had with mods and devs, it would seem they like their platform a bit derailed

[–] InternetUser2012 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As much as I don't want that to be true, you're not wrong. I've been banned in .world for reporting an obvious troll. I've had comments removed for asking what the weather is like over there. I was told I was calling them a russian troll and that's against the rules. BUT, then I get called a troll in the same instance by someone from .ml and no removal of the comment, no ban. Free to say as they please. Lemmy has a serious mod problem.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Part of it is a campaign of victimization by .ml types. They take every opportunity to throw tantrums and insist the mods are biased against them, so the mods then have to treat them with kid gloves to appear 'impartial'.

It's the same trick Republicans and other fascists in the US use.

[–] InternetUser2012 7 points 2 months ago

It's crap though. They spread misinformation and lies and nobody does anything about it. IF you call them out on their bullshit, they ban you and remove your comment. I blocked the three biggest offenders but then they have people going to .world and talking the same shit. It's disappointing. It doesn't look like the mods are impartial, it looks like they are on the side of .ml. (the obvious trolls)

I know it's not all mods, some are great, but there are some bad actors out there that are making the good parts of lemmy look bad.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, still better than the alternatives

[–] InternetUser2012 1 points 2 months ago
[–] socsa@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Because there is a nonzero chance that Russia is funding Lemmy development and lemmy.ml as a propagandist training ground.

Yes, I know that sounds insane, but the official donation tally is like $2300/m for lemmy.ml and Lemmy development, which means they either have some other funding or Dessalines is just choosing to be the poorest software engineer on the planet because he is just that cool.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That would not surprise me if true. I'm also noticing an oddly large amount of people I've blocked commenting in this thread.

I can't read their comments without going to a different app, but I usually only block people spamming bullshit or when they throw a lot of slurs at me.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They identified this thread as something that might slow their propaganda efforts, so here they are

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Might just be coincidence, I dunno

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

True, but enough coincidences can form very convincing patterns.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 2 months ago

I'm not going to speculate when they're right there, I just have to log out

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

which means they either have some other funding or Dessalines is just choosing to be the poorest software engineer on the planet because he is just that cool.

Could just be a day job, or has he claimed to be working on Lemmy full time?

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't sound insane at all. I don't know if its a training ground, but I'd bet my arm there's Kremlin funding being pumped straight into Lemmy.ml

[–] Cyanocobalamin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If so, Vlady Puty, well known for his love of communism, is pretty stingy about it:

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

He doesn't care about Lemmy development, he's paying people to run LLMs.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why? I'd prefer to make the decision on an individual basis, genuinely.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Then host your own instance or join a different one. You're free to do that. Defederating from instances that consistently produce trolls, authoritarian apologists, and mods who pick and choose who is bound by their rules based on their ideology is well within the rights of the instance owner.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but that's like saying make your own anything. Realistically most people don't want the hassle.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

If you need an axe-handle replacing, I'm your man.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

Blocking an instance in the user settings just hides communities from that instance in the community search. Defederating hides all communities, posts, comments and user from that instance. It's not implemented the same way, probably on purpose, because the Lemmy devs (who btw are the admins of Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml) know that half the Fediverse would just block them.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Blocked ml months ago, couldn't have made a better choice. Their user's comments still show up though. Only ml communities get blocked.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I give individual users the benefit of a doubt but I also long ago blocked it and several other tankie instances.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago

I have the "boost for lemmy" app, it has wildcard filters. I used to to get rid of feddit, after about 20 of their users spammed me with slurs for not speaking german on an australian instance