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I'll never understand this. I regularly encourage my staff to use their PTO and only deny requests if multiple people want overlapping days. Even then, if we can rearrange the schedule to make it work, we will.
See, you have morals and empathy.
Most managers and owners don't.
Most managers and owners in US don't.
Sorry, my US brain was assuming only US people again!
Though yalls owners class frequently does want to be exactly like the US owners class. Don't think I haven't noticed the sharp rise in barely-not-fascist and outright fascist parties in Europe! And the middle east has been run by fascists for decades thanks to the US and various European powers.
Basically we all suck, some just suck less and slower
Yes, companies want to do the same in Europa, but we have laws for that.
Well considering the median worker in China, the place we all mock for their employee protection laws and poor wages, makes more than the median American, maybe its not as close a gap as you make it sound like.
Even when you take morals and empathy out of the equation, you just generally get better results from people that aren't run down and miserable.
Apologies,
Owners and managers have no empathy, morals, or brains.
The point is to harm people that have less power than you do. There's a whole political ideology based around that idea.
Well, at my work, all of the regular decent people with consistent morals refuse leadership positions because that would mean they'd be responsible for this dumpster fire.
Meanwhile the actual leadership is the people who were to stupid to realize they could cause harm in a leadership position but were just smart enough to see they would make more money changing from hourly to salary.
And then they find out about 6 months into the new promotion that the company puts them on salary because in america that means they both don't need to be paid for overtime and can be fired if they refuse to do overtime.
Oh right this is about time off. At my company if you ask for a day off they will:
That last one, I had a job where the blackout period was from October through new years. Noone was permitted to take vacation time due to our "busy months".
This is the way
I go so far as to get all involved parties together and discuss to see who has the greatest need. I also make a point of trying to make the person who doesn't get have as easy a time as possible on their next request.
It would supprise you how often the reason for the holiday is meh got to use em before the end of the year
It's none of your fucking business what I'm taking my time off for.
Cool story bro.
And yes that's just as valid a stance. I however try to work with my staff as adults who have to work together with no favourites or otherwise.
Fun fact i have built a team that respects each other enough that I have never once had to deny a holiday. It must really succeed to work that based on your responce is such a hostile environment
Which one is it, bro?
And where the hell do you live, where people refer to leave/vacation/time off as a holiday?
Btw, once you get out of minor leagues, you're realize you'll need an actual company policy for things, including vacation. With rules that aren't subjective to your opinion on what the greatest need is. You know, normal proper company things, like using either seniority, or date the time off request was submitted.
It's both when a conflict occurs. I say that much, and then someone cancles the request am usually not involved in the decision process at all. Holiday requests are visible to the whole team when approved and they know my criteria which is basically no more than x off in 2 day 1st come 1st served so it only ever comes up if to people ask when I'm on holiday and haven't approved it yet.
I find transparency is key to building trust. Unlike how it seems to be on the American front, we're all in this together. If I fail, we all fail and vice versa.
We have a policy, and everyone knows what it is. And while my little corner of the company is only worth a few million, it is a global team.
Tldr: don't be a prick with the team, and they won't be a prick with you.
As for where am I, I'm in Scotland. Vacation isn't really used that often in my experience outside of request forms at work
Like I said to date I have not needed to refuse a holiday request. Of course, i could just be really lucky
Might be nitpicky but setting up rules where you have you employees essentially refusing themselves sounds a bit problematic.
That said, can't really argue with your track record if its true there have been no disputes.
There's defined operrunity for issues and I can see where they would come with conflicting personalities etc but so far at least it hasn't come.
There is some wiggle room in the limits to deal with that which is used for emergency and sickness that I can lean on.
The way I see it, my job is to keep everyone as happy as possible while ensuring the work gets done. An no were not a family. I hate that shit were all here for the same reason. Pay me.
That last sentence is important. At my workplace they still treat company loyalty as currency, and taking time off is showing disloyalty.
Although its a choice to subscribe to that, I just take my days of whether they will approve them or not, and they have yet to challenge me on it. I can use sick time laws if I have to, but I don't like having to deal with deception and I also don't like that other people I work with aren't aware of the deception.
Will be finding new employment soon, its been a sharp cliff dive this year.
Yeh fuck all that shit. I'm loyal yo the company in so far as they haven't pissed me off enough to get over the inertia of looking for a new one. I think it helps I get on really well with all the adjacent teams and managers..
I will admit 1 thing though I never sought out this job I was just an engineer in the team I now manage. I was offered it when my former boss was promoted. The reason I said yes was the fear of some unknown bellend getting parachuted in and fucking everything up
As a result I know the pain points of the job and do my best to alleviate them while playing interference where appropriate from the higher ups.
Regarding sick time I genuinely don't care as long as its done within the law. The company at large deals with this direct via hr who will flat out juts go around the reporting manager without speaking to them. I do not know ehat triggers this. Probably so reporting managers can't forewarn staff how yo game it.
The more I see on American (I'm asuming) work culture the more it tetefies me
I think the american system might literally be built on the idea that, unless you own your own business, if you want to make a lot of money you need to take a lot of abuse.
But thats maybe just me being pessimistic.