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[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why should the president of an invaded country have to negotiate with the invaders? They can leave and then it's all over.

Also it's for you to say only Ukraine is taking people off the street. Putins been throwing prisoners on the front line. He is notorious for locking up any vocal dissenter..... sooooo how are you not including him in this equation?

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Are you walking about the org that was known as Wagner? They aren't forced to fight. They do get incentives to fight that's for sure. They defeated the most hardcore nazis, which we openly support (azov batallion) in Bahkmut.

Why should the president of an invaded country have to negotiate with the invaders? They can leave and then it’s all over.

Are you serious? Do you even know why this war is happening? Ukraine, which we couped in 2014, was killing and still is killing ethnic Russians in the 2 independent republics FOR NO REASON. They also continually plot and execute acts of terrorism against Russia on I'd say a minimum, at least one act every two weeks. Their SBU (their version of CIA) was started by OUR CIA. The feds bragged about it on NYT.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why should the president of an invaded country have to negotiate with the invaders?

To save lives? And land (the sooner the negotiations start the more land there will be left for Ukraine. If the peace deal was signed at the very beginning, none of the land captured after 2022 would be lost)? Obviously Zelensky doesn't care about that, as long as he's pocketing those sweet sweet billions from USA..

They can leave and then it's all over.

But they aren't leaving, are they?

Putins been throwing prisoners on the front line.

So funny that you mentioned it :) There was so much coverage about Putin doing this, and very little when Zelensky started doing it.

He is notorious for locking up any vocal dissenter.....

And so is Zelensky. He disbanded every party he didn't like, as a matter of fact he is way more authoritarian dictator than Putin - even if you consider Russia's elections rigged, Zelensky won't hold any elections at all.

sooooo how are you not including him in this equation?

Feel free to include him.

It's just mind blowing for me how much Zelensky terrorizes millions of people, and he is still considered a good guy. I guess it's easy to glorify Hitler when you are not the one in Auschwitz.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's in the Ukrainian constitution that they do not hold elections while at war. How horrible for Zelensky to follow their constitution.

That's an incredibly stupid argument.

What else are you going to justify with "but it's the law!" argument?

People getting death sentences for rejecting Islam in Saudi Arabia?

People being thrown in jails for being gay in Uganda?

And don't get me started on what was "the law" in Germany less than a century ago..

Yeah, the only bad thing about Zelensky's concentration camps is that it's not written in the law, otherwise it would be all good and fine...