Because the last time I checked, it's Zelensky who for the whole duration of the conflict refuses any negotiation, not Putin. It's Zelensky who turned Ukraine into a mass prison. It's Zelensky whose regime kidnaps people on the streets and sends them to die.

Followed up by only if trump wins? The only thing trump will do is shut off support to Ukraine

That's your opinion and nothing more than that. He promised to end the war by forcing both parties to negotiate. But even if he "shuts off support to Ukraine" - this will be the best thing for Ukrainians that happened in the last 3 years. Without western support, Zelensky won't be able to terrorize Ukrainians anymore.

Turn on English subtitles here and enjoy an ex colonel of AFU (generally an extremely pro-Ukrainian guy btw if you watch his other videos, you can't claim this being a Russian propaganda ;-) ) talking about current anti-Ukrainian Ukrainian government turning Pokrovsk (and actually the rest of the country too) into a concentration camp: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXSB_WnYV0

[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Why should the president of an invaded country have to negotiate with the invaders? They can leave and then it's all over.

Also it's for you to say only Ukraine is taking people off the street. Putins been throwing prisoners on the front line. He is notorious for locking up any vocal dissenter..... sooooo how are you not including him in this equation?

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Why should the president of an invaded country have to negotiate with the invaders?

To save lives? And land (the sooner the negotiations start the more land there will be left for Ukraine. If the peace deal was signed at the very beginning, none of the land captured after 2022 would be lost)? Obviously Zelensky doesn't care about that, as long as he's pocketing those sweet sweet billions from USA..

They can leave and then it's all over.

But they aren't leaving, are they?

Putins been throwing prisoners on the front line.

So funny that you mentioned it :) There was so much coverage about Putin doing this, and very little when Zelensky started doing it.

He is notorious for locking up any vocal dissenter.....

And so is Zelensky. He disbanded every party he didn't like, as a matter of fact he is way more authoritarian dictator than Putin - even if you consider Russia's elections rigged, Zelensky won't hold any elections at all.

sooooo how are you not including him in this equation?

Feel free to include him.

It's just mind blowing for me how much Zelensky terrorizes millions of people, and he is still considered a good guy. I guess it's easy to glorify Hitler when you are not the one in Auschwitz.

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