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Jill Stein surges ahead of Kamala Harris among Muslim-American voters in key swing states (www.middleeastmonitor.com)
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Green Party candidate Jill Stein is gaining ground among Muslim-American voters in three critical swing states: Michigan, Arizona, and Wisconsin, according to a recent poll by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

Stein leads Vice President and Democrat candidate Kamala Harris in these states, with 40 per cent support in Michigan, 35 per cent in Arizona, and 44 per cent in Wisconsin. This surge in popularity appears tied to Stein’s vocal criticism of US support for Israel during the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

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[–] philo@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

2016 again. Idiots never learn.

[–] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yep, the Democratic party never learns that it can't just shame voters into compliance while offering them nothing.

[–] BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And… turning the nation into a fascist hellscape will teach those democrats a lesson!

[–] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They're the ones doing that, they're in charge right now and conducting a genocide in Gaza while fear mongering about immigrants.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz -3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

You're saying the Democrats, who are welcoming immigrants into sanctuary cities and fighting to protect the rights of legal immigration, are somehow also responsible for fear-mongering about immigrants? That's an interesting take. What do you call it when Republicans are threatening to deport all legal and naturalized immigrants without any concern for the number of generational US citizens they will also deport because they had the wrong skin color?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago (3 children)

who are welcoming immigrants

I take it you didn't pay attention to the bipartisan border bill?

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 4 days ago

These crackers stay out here like

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I take it you didn't notice what happened after Republicans killed that bill?

But because I don't entirely disagree with you, I'll give you a better one: why is the Biden administration trying to remove protections from gray wolf populations, which were first removed by Trump? https://apnews.com/article/gray-wolves-protections-biden-trump-81084b1bba499d444950f8294880c524

This is widely perceived as a bad idea. Also Gaza, but that's getting plenty of press anyway and sounds a little one-note at this point. More people need to know about the wolves.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I take it you didn’t notice what happened after Republicans killed that bill?

... not specifically? I noticed Harris promised to bring that fascist shit back in 2025 and sign it, and I noticed that Republicans are now saying that Haitian migrants are eating our pets. No one is looking very good right now on the immigration issue.

America is fucked.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Interesting that you didn't notice all the Republicans pissed off that it got killed over stupid infighting, which might be confused with some kind of strategy on the Democrat's part to highlight just where MAGA's gonna get them.

Now, from what I've read of your posts here, none of it actually matters to you - you're going to keep banging on about how both sides are the same by bringing up how they're similar as if the similarities prove you right, and ignoring every difference as though they don't contradict you, so I'm not going to bother going any further with this. If you have a vote, I already know that you're gonna make damn sure it's a vote for Trump - even if you end up not voting at all. So thanks for that.

I miss ranked choice voting from Australia. Colorado has it on the ballot this year, hopefully it'll pass there and the rest of the nation will follow suit. Then agitating like this will actually mean something.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago

But she's promising to bring the bill back anyways, which completely defeats the purpose if it was just meant to show Republican infighting. Why is she doing that? Let the fucking thing die!

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The one where Democrats made deep concessions to Republican demands? The one where Republicans set most of the tone in the bill and then backed out because daddy Trump wanted immigration to still be an issue for the election?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 days ago

Yes, the fascist border bill that was basically made to appease Republicans. Really welcoming to immigrants. 🙄

[–] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You're saying the Democrats, who are welcoming immigrants into sanctuary cities and fighting to protect the rights of legal immigration, are somehow also responsible for fear-mongering about immigrants?

I'm saying the Democrats who have accepted and now push the 2016 right wing framing on immigration and the border as a national security threat are fear mongering about immigrants yes. Her official platform literally has

Vice President Harris and Governor Walz believe in tough, smart solutions to secure the border, keep communities safe, and reform our broken immigration system. As Attorney General of California, Vice President Harris went after international drug gangs, human traffickers and cartels that smuggled guns, drugs, and human beings across the U.S.-Mexico border. As Vice President, she supported the bipartisan border [far-right] security bill, the strongest reform in decades. The legislation would have deployed more detection technology to intercept fentanyl and other drugs and added 1,500 border security agents to protect our border. After Donald Trump killed the border deal for his political gain, she and President Biden took action on their own — and now border crossings are at the lowest level in 4 years [why is this good if people crossing the border aren't bad], their administration is seizing record amounts of fentanyl, and secured funding for the most significant increase in border agents in ten years. As President, she will bring back the bipartisan [far-right]border security bill and sign it into law. At the same time, she knows that our immigration system is broken and needs comprehensive reform that includes strong border security and an earned pathway to citizenship.

That's an interesting take. What do you call it when Republicans...

Whataboutism. "The Republican party are evil so it's alright that the Democratic party is evil too!".

Edit: Also, I call them the thought leaders for the future of the Democratic party as they shift further and further right on these issues in the name of "compromise " and "reaching across the aisle"

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz -5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So creating stronger border security to stop drug trafficking is a bad thing? There are still ways for people to cross legally, and what you quoted acknowledges the need to fix immigration policy for allowing citizenship. Whataboutism is when you are comparing two identical issues. What you are doing is ignoring the extreme approach of one party and trying to make it sound like the other party is doing the same thing.. In the US, Trump wants to deport or straight up kill immigrants, Harris is acknowledging that we need to stop the drug traffic while helping supporting immigration. In Palestine ... yeah Biden is sending bombs and he's an ass for that but Harris has at least stated that things need to change. Meanwhile Trump's only statement on the matter is that they need to bomb the Gaza strip and make the problem go away. Do you really thing allowing Trump to get into office will help anyone except rich white people? Stein might have a different approach but under our current voting system there is no possible way she will get elected, so your only honest choice in the matter is voting for someone who has a stated policy of death, or someone who has at least admitted that we can do better.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

And not just at the national level. In February, Republican San Diego County Supervisor Jim Desmond posted a video on social media saying that one of the things that concerns him about, “how people are just able to walk across the border and get here,” is fentanyl. The implication is that migrants crossing in remote parts of the border are bringing drugs with them.

But data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and other federal agencies show the vast majority of fentanyl comes through legal ports of entry. And the people bringing it into the country are native born Americans.

Approximately 80% of people prosecuted and convicted of federal drug trafficking offenses were U.S. citizens, according to Tara McGrath, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of California.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I call what you're doing whataboutism and gish galloping. Focus on the matter at hand: the genocide in Gaza.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If you won't get right, if you won't disavow genocide, if you won't disavow settler-colonial mentality, if you won't disavow white supremacy, if you won't disavow burning our planet to a cinder for your treats; then you deserve everything that happens next.

[–] philo@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I didn't mention party. Either a small mind or a deranged supporter of the orange orangutan would jump to that conclusion. Would you like you accuse me of eating pets also?

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 4 days ago

I mean, I'll gleefully charge you with complicity and collaboration in genocide just based on your choice of words here.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Clinton won the popular by three million you willfully-ignorant fuck