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    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    Canonical provides transitional packages for packages that they’ve decided to provide as snaps. They’re not forcing anyone to use snaps, they’re saying “if you want the default we provide you, we’re providing you with a snap.”

    Uhm... and why does the user have to transition to snaps? Why does Canonical provide those transitional packages while there are perfectly valid debs for the same thing? Certainly not because they have a vested interest in forcing it right?

    you instantly refute yourself, kudos!

    [–] lengau@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    Uhm… and why does the user have to transition to snaps?

    They don't. But Canonical will no longer be providing debs in primary Ubuntu repositories, so those transitional packages exist so that users don't wind up with an abandoned, old version of Firefox.

    Why does Canonical provide those transitional packages while there are perfectly valid debs for the same thing?

    For the same reason neither Ubuntu nor Debian provide debs for Google Chrome, despite Google having an official apt repository? Those debs exist in somebody else's apt repository. If you want to add that apt repository, you're welcome to. But those external packages aren't part of the system they provide.

    you instantly refute yourself, kudos!

    Your unwillingness to accept what I'm saying doesn't make what I'm saying contradictory.

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    They don’t. But Canonical will no longer be providing debs in primary Ubuntu repositories

    so they are forcing the users to adopt snaps.

    [–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    If I were giving you €50/month, and then one day I decided to give you USD$55 instead, am I "forcing" you to accept US currency? No, I'm choosing to give you something I don't have to give you in the first place in a different form. You can always reject my offer. You can ask someone else to give you €50/month.

    They're choosing how they want to provide Firefox. If anyone else wants to provide Firefox differently, Canonical isn't stopping them. In fact, Canonical literally hosts and does the builds for an unofficial Firefox repo with their free Launchpad service.

    Distributions decide what they want to package and how to package it all the time. Pretty much every time, someone is upset. But that upset is generally based on an unreasonable sense of entitlement.

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

    If I were giving you €50/month, and then one day I decided to give you USD$55 instead, am I “forcing” you to accept US currency?

    Yes, you are literally forcing me to accept your dollarinos, which, unless I exchange them MYSELF, are USELESS!

    You provided me, until an arbitrary cutoff day, always the negotiated currency (deb package) but then you, out of the blue, decide to change it to your currency (snap package).

    If Canonical want to do their own package, why don´t they just make a new branch and ditch Debian all together? I am not aware of ANY downstream distribution to ditch their upstream's package format, except Ubuntu. Well and those that lie underneath Ubuntu and ditch snap for the super upstream's (debian) package format.

    You can always reject my offer. You can ask someone else to give you €50/month.

    so either suck it up to Canonical, or go to another distribution provider? Thats your solution to your not perceived enforcement of snap?

    [–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    Yes, you are literally forcing me to accept your dollarinos, which, unless I exchange them MYSELF, are USELESS!

    Hold on, have I fallen for Poe's law?

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

    That's your pejorative to believe that, yet I am quite sincere when it comes to the fact that Canonical forces Snap on Ubuntu Users when debs were totally fine as other Debian derivatives use them with no issues.

    And as you can see on other comments I'm not alone with that stance.

    [–] lengau@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    as you can see on other comments I’m not alone with that stance.

    Being in the majority doesn't necessarily make one right, as shown by [insert election result you disagree with here]. But if you actually are serious about that, you do realise how entitled it sounds to demand that someone do free work for you in the particular way you want it done?

    And I believe you mean prerogative.

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    Canonical is a for profit company though.

    And yeah I always mix up those two words, so thanks.

    [–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    And they're providing Ubuntu for free. If you were a paying customer and the contract you'd signed with them said they'd provide Firefox as a deb, that would be a different situation.

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Sorry but I have to say this, that we are not coming to an agreement and are far off by miles. So let's just rest this comment thread for good. What do you say?