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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I'll be that guy that says wars cost a fuckton. So the US gov't can't live war to war because it doesn't help them. Not financially anyway.

*I'm getting a lot of similar messages so: Maybe profitable for industries. Expensive for government. Take a look at any federal deficit and debt.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Maybe not the government or citizens, but war helps the congress members, the CEOs of the military industrial complex, and their families get fabulously wealthy.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

I'm not talking about what could be. I'm talking about the political reality that surrounds us.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Then why does the US government constantly do it? Are they stupid?

Isn't this the official story? That they're a clumsy giant who just keeps oopse whoopsie-ing into all these atrocities with no selfish motive?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Profitable for industries. Expensive for government. Take a look at any federal deficit and debt.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering

The government isn't something that exists above society, but is a facet of it. The MIC directly profits from wars, it pays politicians, politicians are motivated toward hawkish positions, the taxpayer is made to subsidize this. There are many other circuits discussed in the article, as concern the impact war has on the consumer market, how it's used for imperialism, etc.

Ultimately, wealth comes from labor, but the arrangement of war profiteering is extremely good at extracting wealth from labor in all sorts of ways.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People might have an easier time understanding a statement if it's a full sentence.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Seriously? Government debt is different than private MIC profit.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're asking me to make your argument for you. Use you words.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Can you not try to construct a syllogism for me? Stating one obvious fact is not an argument.

[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Wars are plenty profitable if you’re a lot bigger than your opponents and can force them to be subservient to your business interests. It’s not a fluke that the richest country on earth is also the one with the most frequent wars.

[–] sketelon@eviltoast.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is that not the point? Government functions by moving wealth from the public into the private, massive expenses portrayed to be for our benefit end up being excuses for taxes, and the enormous costs facilitate enormous wealth transfers into the private corporations who support and facilitate the wars.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

moving wealth from the public into the private

That's a side effect of capitalism and lobbying (aka bribing) the government for preferential treatment. But it's kind of the opposite of the point of government. Most businesses are incredibly selfish and will cut every corner they can without the government there to enforce workplace safety, market rules, and policing fraud and theft.