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[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I find it completely unreasonable to request a peace talk whilst in a neighboring sovereign nation invading. That's lunacy to think Ukrainians are being the unreasonable ones here in regards to a peace talk.

[–] poopoobanana@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So, no peace talks during war time, got it.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

No fighting in the war room either

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A war that Russia unilaterally started. They are not reliable negotiators.

[–] CriticalResist8@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

So no peace talks during war time.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

"They started it" doesn't really work for diplomacy sadly.
Also who broke the Minsk II treaty?

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

I find it completely unreasonable to request a peace talk whilst in a neighboring sovereign nation invading.

You have a very funny idea about the realities of war. By your logic most could never end. Wars are resolved through diplomacy or full collapse and loss. Your sociopathic ideas about what is "reasonable" devalues the lives and well-being of Ukrainians living through war.

This is liberal "moral victory" nonsense that no serious person believes.

That's lunacy to think Ukrainians are being the unreasonable ones here in regards to a peace talk.

Thank you for conceding my point and implicitly retracting the claim I replied to.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

When in the history of ever did a nation willingly withdraw from its enemy before even holding peace talks?

Did the US withdraw from Mexico before they started hashing out Guadalupe Hidalgo?

Did Germany withdraw from Russia before negotiating Brest-Litovsk?

Even the 'we do not negotiate with terrorists' US negotiated with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan.

It’s a deal, and withdrawal is one of the terms. You don’t do it before the deal has been made. That gives up all leverage.

And Ukraine has already demanded they get absolutely everything, including Crimea. If you want a deal to be everything you want and nothing you don’t, you need an unconditional surrender, not peace talks. Good luck getting Ukrainian tanks into Moscow.