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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I can't see the Democrats considering another unpopular war right now. Trump might, but I can only imagine what craziness that would look like. There's a non-zero chance he would ignore Israel and move assets to the Gulf states because they gargled his balls just right, or something. Or maybe he decides to do nukes.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If Netanyahu can get an open war between Israel and Iran before Jan 20th then Biden will absolutely commit ground forces to fighting that. Which is going to mean counter insurgency or even frontline work in Iraq again.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

My god, would he? Even if that meant tanking the election? (If it's in the lame duck period after Nov. 5 that seems less crazy, I guess)

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Time and again he has repeated their propaganda, even when our own intelligence agencies said Israel was lying. He always talks about a ceasefire, but every time Netanyahu moves the goalposts at the last minute, (usually by adding Hamas' known deal breaker that IDF troops would remain afterwards), Biden blames Hamas. Biden and Blinken have ignored evidence of war crimes from their own agencies that disqualify Israel for military aid. Now he's surged troops into the region, and he isn't using them to evacuate the 6,000 Americans who have asked for help leaving Lebanon.

Where does it stop? We think it has to just based on rationality but we made that mistake with Bush. We thought that a clear trial of the facts in Congress would either give him the moral authority to conduct the war or shut it all down and he just ignored that part of the AUMF. Like Biden has just ignored any evidence against Israel, even regarding the ICC. So I ask again, where does this train stop? What evidence do we have that he's working to restrain Netanyahu and prevent a wider war being kicked off by the obvious belligerent?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

It's pretty clear he's not willing to actually punish them for anything. Sending ordinary American troops into a ground war for them is another thing entirely, though. Nobody's forgotten how the last ones went, and American democracy is already teetering on the brink.

Hamas’ known deal breaker that IDF troops would remain afterwards

And, y'know, that's not a ceasefire. Just thought I'd point that out.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

It sure can be. It's one way to make sure it leads to a real peace process instead of Hamas giving up the remaining hostages and then getting nothing but a couple days of no fighting.

And yeah, that's why I'm worried. I'm not sure Biden realizes there's a line there. He's sure not doing anything to keep from approaching that line.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

He would.

Despite everything he has publicly stated he has continued to offer Israel support. His administration quietly greenlit the attacks and invasion of Lebanon.

As long as our own military is not directly involved as the conflict expands I believe the election prospects will be fine but it still pains me to see this happening.