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Tim Walz calls for scrapping of electoral college to decide US presidential race
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2024
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Agreed with everything except getting rid of ec, increasing the minimum wage, and taxing the fuck out of corps for an arbitrary profit margin.
But damn. Solid otherwise.
What possible reason do you have for wanting to keep such an incredibly shit voting system? Please elaborate.
Because it’s not ‘incredibly shit’ it’s just not what you want it to be. It was designed to not allow mob rule. And it’s done a pretty good job at it.
Just because something doesn’t do what you want it to do doesn’t mean it’s bad.
"Mob rule" in this case being...the will of the majority of voters? Some sort of national popular vote, perhaps?
This is an insane take man, but I guess some puppets don't want their strings cut.
“Insane take” Literally the founding of our country was built off that take.
Yeah, you're right, better to stay stagnant and not bother improving the system so that America stays true to its heritage. Everything was better back then, workers rights, women's rights, slavery...gods the founding fathers really knew their shit. Why try to improve on perfection?
(MASSIVE /s so I don't get downvoted to oblivion)
If any idiot here can’t tell your being sarcastic, that’s their issue.
But yes actually. Some things shouldn’t change. From what I’ve studied/learned we really were the first of our style of government. It’s been successful thus far, when plenty of other systems have come and gone.
Also just because the core of our system shouldn’t be changed doesn’t mean other things should/couldnt/havent changed. Soooo don’t put words in my mouth 👍
You said it best, why try to improve on perfection?
https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/
lol, lmao even
The united states is a failure.
The electoral college is just DEI legislation for Rebublicans since they can't win by popularity.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-10-02-0065
It was designed solely to allow southern states to launder the votes of their slaves, as explicitly said by James madison, the person who put it in place.
Were slaves not people?
Not to southerners, because they didn't let slaves vote, even though they still wanted to vote on their behalf.
They only counted for 3/5 of a person and were not allowed to vote
That was indeed the compromise.
3/5 dk what the rest was. Gods, in my estimation, to survive and thrive.
Edited because I'm on my first coffee.
If you exclude 2004 with Bush Jr (wartime president which all but guarantees reelection) the Republicans haven’t won a popular vote since 1988.
Seems more like the EC ensures minority rule.
And it flat our fails at that. Under the EC, we have a 'mob rule' by the swing states. And candidates basically only ever visit the cities of swing states, and solidly red/blue areas for fundraising on occasion.
One person, one vote. We are all born equal, so to should our votes be equal. Anything less is a failure of a system.
No, I get it. You don't like democracy.
That's fine, just own it.
No, I get it. You don’t know how to have a discussion in which you disagree with the person and default to dismissing them completely instead.
That’s fine, just own it.
No you're coming across as white privilege who wants to keep that. It's not nice, cool or * admirable in any way, form or shape.
Damn now talking like normal people is privilege. No wonder everyone else is fucking crazy.
And also thanks for commenting on all my comments. Love you
That's not normal. It's sick and selfish. And I say that yes, with love for you and my homeland. It's not hate to want my neighbor in the hospital on life support to get well, but it may be selfish if they don't fully recover. It's not hate to want my alcoholic family members to get well. It's not hate to want my diabetic neighbors to check their blood sugar and help find them affordable insulin. And it's not crazy to expect my fellow citizens to not be sociopathic, fearful, or accept a false scarcity.
I’m sick?I don’t love my neighbor? You think you can talk to me like I’m a monster?
Not getting rid of ec :: because I believe that it’s too easy to sway public opinion one way or another and there should be protections in place for communities that are smaller than say, NYC.
Not increasing the minimum wage :: because I believe that this will cause our already rising cost of living to increase faster.
Not taxing the fuck out of corps for an arbitrary profit margin :: because that’s a persons entire life. That could be you. It could be my son. It could be the girl at the local mosque who was raised in foster care and worked her ass off to become successful. And then some little ant online thinks it’s okay to tax the fuck outta her just because she’s done something with her life.
PLEASE. I’m begging you please tell my how I’m the monster.
I'd start with a simple arrogant misunderstanding of the definition of the word democracy wherein you leaned in to that arrogance telling me I didn't know how to converse with people. Your conversational style has brought -- due -- hatred.
You haven't a leg to stand on at this point as far as most reading are concerned, and it's through your own words we've all mostly come to the same conclusion.
Usually, not always, but usually, when everyone thinks you suck but you, its...
Again, usually
Usually it's you.
Food for thought.
Holy Mary, Joseph and Jesus, overdramatize and wallow in self-victimization, won't you? I did not call you a monster. I will not dehumanize very, very human behavior. It's distasteful, even foul, but it is human.
You would give the masters everything while insisting wage slaves continue to beg for scraps. There are other, more effective options. You might search some up and stop being so fragile long enough to do so. Not Breitbart or ONN either. Neither CNN nor even MSN. Go left. Global left.
So why don't you want one wage earned to be able to support their entire family or corporations to pay their fair share so we all call have quality health and education? The EC is rubbish, btw.
It’s pretty simple really. Raising the minimum wage will cause inflation to everything else to balance out and we will be right back where we started. People can’t afford anything. But now with even higher and overly inflated prices.
That’s just how economics works. None of that trickle down bs or any other partisan view.
Simple cause and effect, and scarcity.
Not if you're also taking care of monopolies and lowering the barrier to entry in a way that creates meaningful competition.
Yeah man I’m all for killing monopolies. Hasn’t happened, won’t happen. Money drives the world, those monopolies are spending a considerable amount of their time and money lobbying the gov to make it so they can make MORE money, not less.
Now. If we also get rid of lobbying and make it a federal offense or treason to manipulate the legislative branch for monetary incentives, we got something.
I'm with you there.
🫨 it happened!
I'd imagine there's a lot more we agree on. We just don't agree on solutions. We've been so used to our invisible cages, we can't imagine the world beyond them without coaching, coaxing and encouragement, but it can be done.
Eta and in this instance, I agree with your solution.
https://www.upjohn.org/research-highlights/does-increasing-minimum-wage-lead-higher-prices
No it doesn’t
Corporate greed is why no one can afford anything. There's no scarcity either. It's a matter of logistics, but that's going to quickly change if the very well off people and corporations don't curb their insatiable appetites, and that can be done with the 50s era 93% tax rates on very high individual earners and adding that same rate to megacorporations. No more tax cuts for donating to self-serving, self -directed "philanthropic" causes anymore, either. That tax money can be used to clean up the environment, well - feed, educate, home and health for EVERY individual at the same providers. No campaign donations of any form, fashion or sort. Campaigns are debates and past voting history, only, and every broadcast radio station and television station will be required to air them multiple times. Every print newspaper too, and taxes can fund that. No corporate or wealthy lobbiests.
Then let's see how charitable the wealthy really are.
Easier to think I’m a troll than to believe someone could say those words and be serious?
Well I’m not. So strengthen up buddy boy.
Yes, I would rather think you're a troll than beleive someone is actually seriously that cruel and dumb. It's better for my mental health.