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Two UN peacekeepers in Lebanon have been wounded by Israeli fire, the mission said on Thursday, as Israel's military ground operations in the country continued.

In a statement, the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) said two of its members were wounded after a Merkava tank fired towards an observation tower at Unifil headquarters in Naqoura, "directly hitting it and causing them to fall".

"[Israeli] soldiers also fired on UN position (UNP) 1-31 in Labbouneh, hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system," said the peacekeeping mission.

"An IDF drone was observed flying inside the UN position up to the bunker entrance."

Israeli attacks in Lebanon over the past month, including a bombing campaign and ground invasion, have killed over 1,200 people and displaced one million.

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[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hamas did commit war crimes on Oct 7, not genocide. Nor does this kind of violence come out of nowhere. When people are subjected to the daily violence of Apartheid for generations, they will inevitably use violence to fight back. The underlying cause of all this violence stems from Zionism (Ethnic Cleansing, Settler Colonialism, Apartheid), and the only way to end the violence to to end the underlying cause.

Apartheid

Amnesty Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer

Genocide

Holocaust scholar to discuss his conclusion that Gaza campaign constitutes genocide

UN Expert Says Impunity for Israel Must End as 'Genocidal Violence' Spreads to West Bank

“A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza

800+ Legal Scholars Say Israel May Be Perpetrating 'Crime of Genocide' in Gaza

Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated

AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC

Neverending Violence

Palestinian Prisoners in Israeli Prisons

Palestinians are jailed without charge, forced into false confessions, routinely tortured, raped, denied medical attention, and some killed as a result. This includes hundreds of children.

Palestinians denied civil rights (HRW) including Military Court (B'TSelem)

Palestinian Prisoners in Israel (wiki)

Children are jailed and abused in Israeli prisons (Save The Children)

Torture and Abuse in Interrogations (B'TSelem)

Thousands of Palestinians are held without charge under Israeli detention policy (NPR)

Urgently investigate inhumane treatment and enforced disappearance of Palestinians detainees from Gaza (Amnesty)

Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests (Amnesty)

In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Massacring villages is genocide. This wasn't civilians getting hit by stray bullets or shrapnel, not a targeting error, not some rogue member of Hamas getting out of control. This was Hamas combatants masscring villages under the orders of Yahya Sinwar, who is now the leader of Hamas.

You're desperately trying to make excuses for the genocide committed by Hamas because you've dehumanized Israelis. You're a genocide denier.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm the one advocating for an end to violence and equal rights for both Israeli and Palestinians.

You're desperately trying to make excuses for the genocide committed by Hamas because you've dehumanized Israelis. You're a genocide denier.

You are projecting hard

One or Two State Solution

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

  • Avi Shlaim

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government.

Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Dude, just block him. Can't you see how he distorts reality? Either he's a troll or completely indoctrinated. You will not convince this kind of trash. Ignore him.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, you're right. He's not worth arguing with. I think I'll still post the sources to show he's wrong in case anyone sees his misinformation. I'd rather it not go uncontested. But yeah, no point arguing with him. Any onlookers unsure can check the sources and see for themselves that he's wrong

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago

Copy-paste as many words as you want, but as long as you refuse to accept Hamas committed genocide, you'll always be a genocide denier.