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A key feature of NFTs has completely broken / Web3 was supposed to make sure the original artist always got paid. Not so much anymore. (www.theverge.com)

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[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For instance, as things stand right now, countries have trade agreements between one another, and those agreements don’t work because of some outside police force, they work because those entities rely on one another. There is a level of trust, even though states are notoriously untrustworthy, they still know the level of trust is stable enough to make their currencies compatible and engage in trade.

Are you familiar with Beau of the Fifth Column? He speaks of international relations as akin to "a poker game where everyone is cheating". Trade agreements work by relying on each other and I agree there is some level of trust but I'm pretty sure they still use documentation (blockchain is a form of trustless documentation), there are still contracts and threats of force. Between nations you arguably have anarchism as there is no higher power (unless you consider the EU/NATO etc, but that's more like a group of anarcho-bullies).

Now, as for the idea that any tool can be used for good or ill, I would say that’s true of technology, but not tools

Not sure I understand the difference between tech and tools. I don't really think that ANY tool can be used for good or ill. I think that is true of most tools, but I see capitalism as a tool, but it's one that's only useful to a certain type of person and only useful to take advantage of others. I can see how you could see the blockchain the same way, especially based on it's historical use so far. But I don't think it's inherent in the blockchain tool like with capitalism. Blockchain to me is like money or any other tracking technology like a spreadsheet. Not things I want to see in my anarchist utopia (as money in any form facilitates resource hoarding) but things I see useful and 100% inherently evil for the time being.

Ultimately the only reason such a state would have an agreement with a federated bloc of anarchist communities would be because they benefited somehow. I would say in such a world the downfall of such states is inevitable, but maybe it’s the most peaceful way to manage such a transition. I

Interesting. I have an uncommon or unpopular opinion here. I think that if real and lasting anarchism is ever gonna happen, it's going to have to happen globally simultaneously to some degree (and I think it's in-progress now). Global powers will have to all be degrading. I just don't see major countries allowing a significant anarchist region to exist, especially one like the U.S. that has nuclear weapons and a massive military. The remnants of NATO aren't going to just tolerate what to them are a bunch of yahoos with the world's best weapons. Also, I think anarchism only really makes sense globally. If any state, especially any capitalist state remains, they will destroy the world and pull us down with them.

Ideally, you wouldn’t trade in single transactions with people on the other side of the world

Exactly, I see world trade as reduced, regularly eating a fruit that's ripe on the other side of the world just doesn't seem sustainable.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe the tools/technology dichotomy isn't so clear, but I guess I'm talking about how technology is applied and how tools are designed. Like the difference between a wood axe and a polearm - both are built on the same fundamental principles of adding a sharpened metal object to the end of a wooden stick, but one of them is good for chopping wood and the other is good in battle. You could swap them around, but they'd be almost useless at one another's jobs. How they are designed dictates how they are used, and currency technologies are no different. They are a type of accounting, but they are built around lack of community. Debt the First 5000 Years by David Graeber is a great book on this topic, explaining the social origins of debt and how money really isn't such a big part of most of human history, only rising to its current form with the advent of imperialism and colonialism.

I guess my point with the blockchain thing is that even though I can see some use for keeping records in a decentralised way, I still don't see blockchain solving any real problems there. Again, if you need decentralisation you should base it on trust, and basically anything you do in that sphere you can do with simple authentication, which is a type of cryptography we've had for many decades now. If the outside world is using blockchain you could make a case for using it in a limited way when you absolutely have to, but I certainly wouldn't advocate for supporting blockchain.

Advocating for it on the basis of hypothetical future uses for it is basically falling afoul of the AM/FM distinction, AKA Actual Machines vs Fucking Magic. Actual machines exist and you can see their track record; fucking magic is whatever the scam artist sells it as. If the technology hasn't proven itself yet, then you can't make plans based on it.

My point about international relations was that "trust" works even in that cutthroat context. I love Beau btw, he's absolutely right about that point. Weirdly I think the first place I understood that concept was from reading Ice Station by Matthew Reilly, which is just the most trashy action novel you could imagine.

I agree that anarchism is slowly emerging everywhere, and that's kind of how it has to be. I imagine it as a smattered, regional emergence in disparate places, which once it passes a crucial tipping point it floods everywhere all at once. Like I think people would be shocked at how fast society can change once the systems of oppression crumble.

The question of nuclear war is a sobering one. It is in theory possible that one continent goes before another, and in that case perhaps a nuclear power might decide to attack with nuclear weapons. The only thing you could do in that case is say, "Well, our territory now contains nuclear weapons too, so MAD is still in effect." It's not a great answer, but it's the only one I can think of.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Debt the First 5000 Years by David Graeber

Been wanting to read this one, still on The Dawn Of Everything.

Like I think people would be shocked at how fast society can change once the systems of oppression crumble.

I like that, I'm particularly interested in how to prepare materially and culturally in an attempt to minimize the collateral damage.

Great talking to you comrade, you're seem a wise one.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, thanks for the talk, gave me some things to think about too :)