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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (6 children)

But… but… Glass is not single use.

When used for mass-produced beverages it very much is. Hell, plenty of beverages still use disposable glass bottles today, and that's not even getting into the fact that glass bottles use to be the standard, which is part of the reason why there's so much nostalgia around them.

In the same vein, plastic is not inherently single-use. If we're comparing multi-use plastic and multi-use glass, then the same calculus applies.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 months ago

But in the meme it’s the kind of milk bottle you return to the store for $ and they wash and refill it. Not really covered by that study I don’t think

glass bottles have a more damaging overall effect, largely because they are heavier and require more energy for their production.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 months ago

Lots of countries have deposits on bottles and they will very much be reused. If that's not being done it's a cultural/political problem not a glass bottle problem.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the mass produced soft drinks are the problem.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

The tiny individual-use bottles, at least.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's mostly just the us that no longer have recycling for bottles. Most modern countries have automated collection machines.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Recycling is explicitly mentioned in the link.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I know, what I'm saying is no glass bottle is explicitly non recyclable there's just a lack of ability to recycle in the us for whatever dumb business monster reasoning.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Single-use bottles includes recyclable bottles. The point of single-use is that they're discarded in some way by the consumer at the end of use, including discarded via recycling, not retained.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're only single use if they aren't recycled, the article states that as well.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They’re only single use if they aren’t recycled, the article states that as well.

... would you care to quote that, because I'm pretty sure it says otherwise.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But as these bottles are largely single-use, many of them are discarded and dumped in the earth’s ecosystems, where they constitute a significant portion of all environmental waste. 

They only counted recyclable bottles as single use if discarded anywhere but a recycling center assuming they may or may not be recycled so they assume it's trash until it's recycled or degraded.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They only counted recyclable bottles as single use if discarded anywhere but a recycling center

That's literally not what the quote says.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But as these bottles are largely single-use, many of them are discarded and dumped in the earth’s ecosystems, where they constitute a significant portion of all environmental waste.

Let's break it down.

"But as these bottles are largely single-use" - does not define 'single-use' but implies that the following statement is about single-use bottles

"many of them are discarded and dumped in the earth’s ecosystems, where they constitute a significant portion of all environmental waste." - says that many of the aforementioned are dumped and constitute environmental waste.

That's it. That's the entirety of the quote you provided.

Where do you get that single-use is defined as only the unrecycled bottles from THAT?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That is the definition....., they're used a single time and dumped into the environment. That's what single use plastics are, I've legit never heard of anyone aside from you refer to glass as single use.

They say glass new and recycled but accept that a large amount of glass bottles still end up in the ecosystem.

I didn't say it defined single use glass, that's just a you thing. It defines sickle use for the article in which it is used solely to describe items that are used once and dumped into the ecosystem. It is specifically never referred to in reference to glass in the article.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

No, my name's Dan.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago

I've yet to see a reusable plastic milk bottle. The glass bottle pictured is literally one that you return to the store for a deposit and they return to the dairy, where it gets sterilised and reused. These are quite common where I live, and the plastic alternative is single-use "recyclable" plastic.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

Except for the past 100 years glass recycling and re-use has been a net loss, on who pays for it, who wants to do it, who still just throws stuff out, and how it's implemented. Back in the 70's, when soda was in glass, something like 3% of the bottles were being returned.