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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[–] basmati@lemmus.org -4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Exactly, you think being a murderer is okay.

That is the core philosophical difference.

You are completely okay with killing innocent people. These people are not, normal people are not.

This difference cannot be reconciled. These people will never think the way you do, and thank every God ever imagined for that, as someone needs to be the moral party if only as an example of how normalized and justified pure evil is.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's not at all what I said, and I think you know that. Wanting to help someone is not the same as wanting to kill someone else. My vote doesn't save Gaza, because there is unfortunately no option, but my vote could still help someone. Not voting, or throwing it away, literally doesn't help anyone.

I hope you find peace with your indecision and your cowardice should the rest of the country not be able to make up for your inactivity. But I'm sure those suffering in Gaza will feel better knowing that someone in Texas is bleeding out in the parking lot. That'll show 'em.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have fun in international court.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] basmati@lemmus.org 0 points 1 month ago

I'm sure the Nazis that just voted felt the same way.

[–] Scirocco@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fucking ridiculous.

A vote for anyone OTHER than Harris directly results in MORE Gazan suffering.

Trump will not restrain Israel. On the contrary, he will encourage them to 'end it' and achieve "peace" by ACTUALLY genociding all remaining Palestine resistance.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 1 points 1 month ago

There already has been no restraint from Biden. Genocide is genocide, and Harris supports genocide.

I'm not voting for genocide, there is no moral argument to do so.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

restrain Israel

Are you really so deluded to beleive all of Bidens play acting about how he was seeking peace all this time? He used 0% of his levers to make peace happen and 100% of his levers to encourage Israels murder spree.

[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How are you not a murder in your role play here? By doing nothing everyone dies, that blood is ALSO on your hands for inaction.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

Because it was a trick. You are being tricked by the voice that you are responsible for minimizing the harm they choose to inflict on the three people in the room, if that threat is even real in the first place.

So to choose to murder anyone or kill yourself is a ridiculous position and most wouldnt take it. The voice will have to be the murderer here if thats what they want.

Or you can believe the voice without question, and kill one of the people based on some arbitrary metric you come up with on the spot to justify you choosing to kill someone.

So in this case, people are believing the lie, then choosing "the lesser of two evils" based on some arbitrary metric like "which ones better for the economy, since they both are genocidal".

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not the one murdering them, quite literally. Just like in real life, there is no mystical unstoppable force of nature in play. It's another person, like you. Their choices aren't your choices.

To put it another way, if you sold a kid a bike and he later crashes and dies despite the bike having no faults, are you responsible? Most would correctly identify that you are not responsible in that scenario, as the kid is responsible for what they did with the bike.

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In this case your entire argument about the election is moot. If I vote for a president, their actions are not mine, I am not going to Gaza to kill Palestinians. You can even go a step further, neither Harris nor trump is personally going to Gaza to kill people. The choice of killing Palestinians is up to the Israeli people who are doing the actual killing.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -1 points 1 month ago

The opposite. If your vote for a president their actions are yours. You endorsed and aides them.