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"Whether you hate me, like me or are indifferent, do you want the best car, or do you not want the best car?" [Apartheid Manchild] told audiences at an event in November.

Well, for starters I don't want a car at all. I'd rather use public transit. You know, an actually effective means of reducing emissions.

If I were in the market, yes, I would want the best car. Which is why I'd never buy a Tesla. I'd buy an XPeng or a BYD or the like.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

One is a totalitarian state who could unleash all its might on you if they wish; the other is still subject to rules and regulations despite being corrupt. I'd rather have Ford and GM spying on my information for corporate interest than a state who wants to micromanage every aspect of your life, thank you very much.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's be real...those statements are true of both nations...the only thing that's different is the propaganda you listen to.

China will use my info to market me more and better cheap shit. The US will use my info in litigation or worse.

If China wants to launch a full scale assault, they could, and they'd win. They've got better tech these days and our number the US by like 10 to 1.

I'm less worried about China knocking on my door for political descent than I am of the US these days.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Everything you said is literally the other way around.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ideally, no spying at all. My car just gets a radio and nothing else. My phone can be a GPS with a plastic piece that is stuffed in the air grill.

As someone living in the United States, China spying on me doesn't do much. I'm not really a target for them. My data is just sold to the highest bidder, often Facebook or Google to sell me more ads.

If the US government wanted me gone, I'd be gone in 2 days and Fox News and its brainwashed masses would say I deserved it since I never voted for Trump and didn't sing the pledge of alliance every day. If China wanted me gone, they'll have to work for it and it'd be front page news that would become an October surprise.

That's my main two things. As an American, I am impacted by American laws more than China or even Canada's or Mexico's laws. If China banned me (which they have and still do, I'm a queer anarchist) I'm not super impacted by it. If America banned me (I'm a queer anarchist, they've done it before) I need to go into hiding.

Does America want to kill me? Not intentionally, at least. I don't think there's a personal FBI man watching my webcam, seeing me type up the same shitty memes I tell my friends for a quick laugh as we play games. But if America start getting more cult-y with Trump and his ilk, I have to watch my back more than if China suddenly wanted the same body on their doorstep.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

To be fair, the egregious provisions of the PATRIOT act which allows unilateral spying by the US government has not been renewed. But on the one hand, there have been cases of law enforcement agencies buying information from data brokers, which companies have sold to. The Chinese government different, they can straight up spy on you and question you at any time.

This thing isn't something that would personally affect me because here in Europe we have GDPR and the EU is consumer-friendly, but privacy is still I would be concerned of for other parts of the world.