How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die? Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits? Oh, that's right, it doesn't fit the narrative that mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.

It's pretty obvious that you're just fascist. It's going full circle in here.

Fucking clowns 🤣 Clowns living in a clown world is what you are 🤡🤡🤡

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.

I'll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn't convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don't want to fight, and it's Zelensky's regime (with West's support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?

How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?

It's also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can't leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.

Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?

Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.

You see, I've tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky's fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)

[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's horrible that Ukrainians and Russians are getting forced in to a war that neither wanted to participate in. I hate wars and I would have preferred to see everyone live in peace. But reality is not like that.

Putin is trying to take your homeland and you're doing nothing to prevent it. You're not even in your own country... I find it pretty rich that condemn Putin and his actions while also being okey with it happening as long as no one has to fight for Ukraine.

Who should fight for their freedom if not the people that live there? I would defend my homeland til I die if it meant my country would remain a democracy and be free dictators and fascists.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

You didn't answer my question "what evidence (...) would be needed for you to admit that we don't want to fight, and it's Zelensky's regime (...) that forces us to (...)" :(

Putin is trying to take your homeland and you're doing nothing to prevent it.

What do you mean "take"?
What prevents me from living on the land Putin has taken?
Or let's be more exact - what prevents people in Crimea, Melitopol and other cities/regions taken by Putin to continue living there?
Or maybe you want to say that the life there is worse? Then please define in what way. Is it being able to freely move? Is it not being a subject to mass kidnappings? Is it being able to speak your mother tongue without being discriminated for it (or worse...)? Is it being able to form political parties? Is it being able to vote for your president (even if you consider the elections rigged)?

You're not even in your own country...

I cannot return there, until Zelensky's regime is done. If I go there - I won't be able to come back. I'll be imprisoned like the rest of the country. I'll be sooner or later kidnapped and sent to die.

Who should fight for their freedom if not the people that live there?

Fighting for freedom is fighting against Zelensky's regime, he is the one taking the freedom away. And it's extremely hard to fight him, as long as he has western support.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Y'all fucking clowns for defending the fascist regime you support dragging people to fight for your entertainment. Go sign up for the foreign legion already instead of trolling here.

[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml -3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao, I am not the one defending a fascist dictator and his regime trying to take over a foreign country, sending their men to a certain death 🤣 get your head out of your ass you clown 🤡🤡🤡

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

The fact that you don't know that you are makes you even more of a clown.

[–] Allero 1 points 9 hours ago

How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?

Just to clarify: do you suggest to murder everyone who was forced to get onto the battlefield, or do you mean Putin does this to them?

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

nice hasbara

mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.

Are you seriously getting your viewpoints about what Russia wants...FROM THE CIA? that's fucking insane. Here's what you should do. Find any translation of any spokesperson of Russia. Two famous ones are Lavrov and Maria something. Both of them are very intelligent and speak clearly.

edit: Also Russia doesn't target civilians. There's a thing that's commonly used by the US and Israel called atrocity propaganda. Look it up. Russia is taking casualties but it's not that much. It's approximately 1 death to 20-30 Ukranian deaths ATM.

[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Some people dug too deep into the reality tunnel, any common sense has been left far behind.

Obvious reality check: Ukraine has some nazies. Also

a) they're not their top problem. That being, you know, invasion and occupation by an authoritarian dictatorship.

b) point me at the country that hasn't. What, you want China to invade Germany because AfD has 30% in some provinces? Let people sort their shit before you call for a foreign boot ffs.

(Not even touching the fact that the only reason Russia isnt seig heil'ing right this second, is that little Pu is afraid of any popular movements, including fascism. But it'll get there, give it a couple years and/or heart strokes)

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Dude. We (the US) couped Ukraine in 2014. They've been killing tens of thousands of their own Russian-speaking civilians in the two independent republics. We have created THEIR CIA (SBU) and they perform acts of terrorism on Russia, at least try to, on at LEAST a monthly basis. Denazification means elimination of Banderaist factions in the gov who can essentially tell their president what to do backed by threats of violence.

[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 hours ago

The fascist regeme you're imagining simply doesnt exist. There wasnt some "Donetsk ethnic cleansing", this were separatists (armed with Russian weapons and backed up with russian volunteers) trying to kick off federal troops and secede. Which, you know, isn't great. You could possibly go "both sides are bad" the 2014-2021 conflict and have some good points.

In what universe does the 2022 russian invasion translate to anything else as obvious f-ing conquest and how much of a bootlicker do you have to be to support it??