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[–] echo@lemmings.world 2 points 11 hours ago (13 children)
The evidence is that if they don’t vote for her then they’re going to get Trump

Yes. That’s right. And it’s entirely Harris’s fault. No one else’s. She could change policy and earn their vote. She doesn’t, and so hands the election to Trump.

Oh fuck off with that... They'd rather vote for the fascist who has outright said he'd destroy Hamas? That's on them for being stupid fucking morons. Don't blame Harris for their stupidity.

At the general election for POTUS is the wrong fucking time to plant your stake in the ground. Anyone who wants a different candidate in 2028 that supports their views needed to get really involved in 2020, at the latest. The next best time to do that is right now for 2028. I'm not defending Harris. I'm saying the people you're talking about are fucking morons and need to suddenly get smart.

[–] Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social 0 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

And let's be clear here what you're advocating.

In the case that the Republicans are worse than the Democrats, people should vote Democrat and no other party.

The Republicans will always be worse than the Democrats.

Therefore, people should always vote Democrat in all cases and no other party.

That's exactly the Chinese totalitarian system. One party which you must vote for regardless of what you think of their policies.

[–] echo@lemmings.world 2 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

I'm saying that Harris or Trump will be the next POTUS and all you can do right now is express your preference on which one you want it to be.

If you're driving down the road and you come to a situation where you can either run over a person or hit a telephone pole then you have to decide what to do. You can gripe and moan about your situation and how you don't want to either one, but that doesn't change the reality. If you choose to not make a choice then the choice will be made for you and you'll have to live with the consequences.

[–] Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

you'll have to live with the consequences.

That's true of all decisions. You're advocating a single party autocracy. One whose opening policy is to support genocide. You'll have to live with the consequences of that decision too.

[–] echo@lemmings.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm telling you the reality that Harris or Trump will be the next POTUS. Which one do you want it to be?

[–] Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I'm not required to want either.

"Either some Ukrainian soldiers die, or Putin takes over Ukraine, that's the reality"...

"Oh! So you want Ukrainian soldiers to die!"

Being prepared to risk something is not the same as actively promoting that thing. This is not up for debate, it's a basic fact.

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