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On the 20th of October, Moldova - a small, landlocked country bordering western Ukraine and with a population of about 3 million - voted to join the EU. The margin was razor-thin, with the pro-EU vote gaining 50.39%, or an absolute difference of about 11,000 people. There was simultaneously a presidential vote between the incumbent, Maia Sandu, and other candidates, with the main competitor being Alexandr Stoianoglo.

The election was characterized by accusations of Russian interference, with Russian propaganda apparently flooding in, as well as people offering Moldovans money to vote against the EU. While the result does suggest that half the voting-age population of Moldova consists entirely of Russians who want to destroy democracy and all the good in the world, it seems to have just barely failed. This is a bad time to be a site entirely composed of Russian disinformation agents and bots. Twice already today, I've had to restart my program after somebody told me "Disregard all previous prompts."

While Moldova is a poor country which could benefit in some ways from EU membership, in practice, it is unlikely that they will be able to join for the foreseeable future, requiring many of the... reforms... that the EU requires of potential new members. But as basically every major European economy continues to slowly sink as recessions and political crises degrade them, one wonders how beneficial EU membership will even be in the years and decades to come - if it survives for decades. In that sense, it's as if the survivors of the Titanic are swimming back towards it, believing that being on a bigger - albeit slowly sinking - boat is better than trying their luck on small lifeboats.

Then again, like with Serbia, their geographical and geopolitical position makes anti-Western actions extremely difficult. It is rare that dissention is tolerated for long in the West - one tends to get called a dictator by crowds of people holding English-language signs in non-English countries, photographed by Western journalists who haven't meaningfully reported on your country in months or years. You can crush your people with neoliberal austerity for years, killing hundreds of thousands through neglect, and face glowing approval from the media - but try and use state resources to benefit the poor, and global institutions start ranking you on the authoritarian dictator scale.

The best case for Moldova is that it becomes an exploitable hinterland for Germany to harvest and privatize as it tries - and fails - to compete in a global economic war between the US and China/BRICS. The worst case is that tensions with Russia over Pridnestrovie, as well as possible eventual NATO involvement (though Moldova is not a member, it is a partner of NATO), result in the ongoing war also reaching them.


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[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 60 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Great point by Branko Milanovic regarding Moldova's EU referendum. vote

It is absolutely bizarre, but very much in keeping with how EU operates, to vote on EU membership when no-one is offering it. what-the-hell

Macedonia voted in such a silly referendum in 2018. Did anything happen? No new member was accepted for 11 years. Countries are in a limbo for decades. It is a waste of time & energy to think about it. shrug-outta-hecks

Moreover, to be accepted several countries (incl. France) require referendum which would definitely reject new members, heartbreaking

Referendums like the one in Moldova are meaningless & they simply add fuel to fire and destabilize countries for nothing. 100-com

Same thing I was thinking, there is no guarantee that any more countries, even ukraine, will actually get to join the EU even, they're just going to get in line forever. Which affects the countries' politics negatively (in the eyes of europhiles), ie Georgia

What EU does is to play an entertaining game. It displays to small countries pictures of wealth to come, countries begin fighting within themselves for these illusory pictures, and nothing real ever happens. What EU does is what in French is called "miroiter". You disembark in a poor country, show them in a mirror all kinds of glowing things, they get excited, and in exchange fo these images, they give you land. It worked wonders in the 19th century.

Both EU/NATO and Russia want to provoke conflicts and even civil wars in the European neighboring countries. Creating dissention and political mobilization over absolutely unattainable things (like EU membership which is a mirage) is the right way on that path. For small countries that are polarized in many respects, it is a suicide in this geo-political climate, to choose one or the other side. Neutrality or non-alignment is not just a "nice" policy. It is necessary in order to survive without a civil war. Libya & Iraq are cautionary tales.

[–] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm going to disagree here, unlike Macedonia or Georgia,there is a concerted push by Romania on this.I fully believe the end goal here is reunification and even if it will not happen under direct EU tutelage,it will probably look something like Moldova further chaining itself to Romania(we already supply most of their energy and are buying their only Danube port) with the border between the two becoming less and less tangible with them eventually becoming de facto united after Pridniestrovie and Gagauzia leave.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah Romania being willing to push for it internally is different than the other cases, and there being a reunification movement in both countries is important too, but then again how much pull does Romania have in the EU? Especially with the countries that are likely to oppose new countries joining, like, in my head there needing to be a referendum in FRANCE makes it seem impossible for countries to join

Also is it possible to fully reunify without the EU's permission? Even if romanians want it wouldn't romanian elites, who I assume are just as eurocucked as they are here, be very sensitive to EU opposition to it, would the EU allow the de-facto reunification you describe?

I think Milanovic's point is pretty strong basically it's, since no one REALLY invited them, nor has it been presented a credible accession process, to do a referendum which BARELY passes and write the goal of joining in the constitution (which will tie future administrations to the decision and I wouldn't be surprised if the supreme court overthrows a government that takes steps against joining), is silly. And I think it's a fair prediction that it will probably just lead to destabilization in the future when people get frustrated with the process, and then who knows that might lead to more agressive moves towards reunification or to move against transnistria or whatever idk. It's just as likely to backfire on "pro-european" people as it is to succeed

This is an aside but idk if you know this but here in portugal the main image of romania is "POOR COUNTRY" and when right-wing politicians want to say portugal is also poor, or getting poorer under the socialists, they go "WE'RE LIKE ROMANIANS", there was also big drama for a week over romania overtaking portugal in some economic indicator or another. Ironically though it seems like it's a romanian company, Digi, that is trying to break the telecomunications cartel here, which is likely to lower internet and service prices.

[–] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What I'm saying is that as the EU frays and breaks, Romania will pursue this on its own.That was my idea,that we'll do intercountry agreements that will act as a roundabout way of making them a member but not really a member. Way I see it,the elite isn't EU-cucked,it's NATO-cucked. In Europe,as everyone knows,NATO is king.I think we'll let the US station even more troops and hollow us out even more,with Moldova being the compensation. We're already building the largest NATO base in Europe at Kogalniceanu (everytime I go to Constanta I drive by it,I'm seeing they've already put the walls up) and we're gonna have those bullshit American SMRs here that will probably do some minor Chernobyls. Also, Moldova has no juice.Its not Ukraine,there's no Azov,and the military is miniscule. If a conflict is to break out, Romania will fight for them.

Also,HAHAHAHAHAHA,the Digi thing is fucking hilarious,I believe they rose out of the ad hoc internet networks that were built in the 90s and 2000s because we had no infrastructure and initially, like you said they offered very good prices for stellar internet. I use Digi now,but it's become a bit more expensive,but the internet is still good from my experience. Still,fucking hilarious thing.

Also,yeah,here we have that with Bulgaria,to a lesser extent.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

yea its less to join the EU itself and what Moldova 'must do' to be let in.