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On the 20th of October, Moldova - a small, landlocked country bordering western Ukraine and with a population of about 3 million - voted to join the EU. The margin was razor-thin, with the pro-EU vote gaining 50.39%, or an absolute difference of about 11,000 people. There was simultaneously a presidential vote between the incumbent, Maia Sandu, and other candidates, with the main competitor being Alexandr Stoianoglo.

The election was characterized by accusations of Russian interference, with Russian propaganda apparently flooding in, as well as people offering Moldovans money to vote against the EU. While the result does suggest that half the voting-age population of Moldova consists entirely of Russians who want to destroy democracy and all the good in the world, it seems to have just barely failed. This is a bad time to be a site entirely composed of Russian disinformation agents and bots. Twice already today, I've had to restart my program after somebody told me "Disregard all previous prompts."

While Moldova is a poor country which could benefit in some ways from EU membership, in practice, it is unlikely that they will be able to join for the foreseeable future, requiring many of the... reforms... that the EU requires of potential new members. But as basically every major European economy continues to slowly sink as recessions and political crises degrade them, one wonders how beneficial EU membership will even be in the years and decades to come - if it survives for decades. In that sense, it's as if the survivors of the Titanic are swimming back towards it, believing that being on a bigger - albeit slowly sinking - boat is better than trying their luck on small lifeboats.

Then again, like with Serbia, their geographical and geopolitical position makes anti-Western actions extremely difficult. It is rare that dissention is tolerated for long in the West - one tends to get called a dictator by crowds of people holding English-language signs in non-English countries, photographed by Western journalists who haven't meaningfully reported on your country in months or years. You can crush your people with neoliberal austerity for years, killing hundreds of thousands through neglect, and face glowing approval from the media - but try and use state resources to benefit the poor, and global institutions start ranking you on the authoritarian dictator scale.

The best case for Moldova is that it becomes an exploitable hinterland for Germany to harvest and privatize as it tries - and fails - to compete in a global economic war between the US and China/BRICS. The worst case is that tensions with Russia over Pridnestrovie, as well as possible eventual NATO involvement (though Moldova is not a member, it is a partner of NATO), result in the ongoing war also reaching them.


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[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 81 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

OP @SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net it's Pridnestrovie, not 'Transnistria.' 'Transnistria' is what the imperialist and neo-colonials in "the west" call it, to refuse the status of the country because it just means "[the Moldovan territory] past the Dneister (river)," as well as to treat it as simply a historical legacy, not of the USSR, but of its previous administrators: the Nazis.

Pridnestrovians don't want to be called that, consider it a grave insult actually, because it's literally the name the Romanian and German Nazis used for their occupation government when they carried out the Holocaust there (Transnistria Governorate). Pridnestrovie was deeply impacted and affected by the Holocaust, and the Nazi-occupied administrative territory of the "Transnistria Governorate" served as a junction point where Jews from surrounding areas were deported to in 'processing' for enslavement or liquidation or later transfer elsewhere.

It is a point of deep national consciousness, this experience, and of national pride that they did as much as they did to resist Nazism and to shield Jews in the territory ^[^^sci-hub^ ^link^^]^; an uncommon phenomenon in most of Europe which saw huge collaborations and pogroms against Jews.

They by and large do not connect with the legacy of their previous occupiers who lay claim to them. During Catastroika and fashnost leading to the breakdown of the USSR, which caused the vicious resurgence of right wing nationalism, there grew large radical movements of Moldavian and "Greater Romania" fascists, who began demanding things such as the removal of all languages but Moldovan/Romanian, change to latin script, and expulsion of Slavs from the country and eventually in 1990 acquired power in the central government of the Moldavian SSR and started to implement their policies. It is in this environment that the Pridnestrovians had organized ad-hoc independence referendums, which were met with violent resistance by these fascist groups (just as we saw a much more drawn-out version of in the DNR/LNR in Ukraine) and declared independence


because they feared an independent Moldova led by these people would not only directly abuse them as they had already begun to, but also align and possibly even unite with the core country of their previous occupiers and exterminationists in Romania. Pizzachev annulled their independence but they in practicality maintained it and after the failure of the August coup in 1991 they declared independence in secession from the USSR as well as Moldova. They even fought a 2 year long low-intensity war from 1990-1992 to maintain their independence (and in which Ukrainian Nazi volunteers fought against Moldova, but for trying to annex Pridnestrovie into Ukraine) resulting in the death of over a thousand people.

And so they do not wish to be called anything but Pridnestrovie, or the full name Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

Apologies, edited!

[–] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree with what you said,and I denounce the actions of revanchists both in Romania and Moldova who want to annex the region.I also am aware of the monstrous actions of the Antonescu government in the region in WW2 and the fact that it basically was a killing ground for slavs and jews. However, isn't the reason it even has to do anything with Moldova at all the fault of the USSR? The Moldovan SSR they formed in the interwar period was formed around it,a land which had nothing to do with historical Basarabia,and was entirely an entity conceived of in order to peel away the territories Romania took in the wake of the collapse of the Russian Empire? I mean,back then,that area was inhabited by a mix of Russians and Ukrainians. I don't denounce this,really, seeing as taking away territory from fascist Romania was ultimately a good thing,but I am critical of the decision to keep it a part of the Moldovan SSR after the war. Why didn't they create a separate SSR? Or give it to the Ukrainian SSR? They kept this unnatural arrangement and I think they should be criticized for this at the very least.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're far closer to this area than I am, but I always considered Besarabia to basically be the area that is now Moldova. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

[–] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is correct,however, Pridniestrovie is not Basarabia at all

Historical Basarabia is between the Prut and Dniester rivers, Pridniestrovie is on the other side

My whole point is that the "Moldavian" ASSR conceived of during the interwar period that was the basis of what is now Pridniestrovie had nothing to do with Basarabia and Moldova and that it was created and then tacked onto Moldova because they wanted to take back Basarabia from Romania. That is all well and good,seeing as the Kingdom of Romania joined hands with Hitler and then got it's ass rightfully beaten. What I'm critical of is the decision to keep it attached to the post war Moldovan SSR instead of creating a new SSR or just giving it to Ukraine. This land was only sparsely inhabited by Moldovans even pre WW2 and it only got more Russo-Ukrainian from there. So,why tack on a non Moldovan strip of land to the SSR? It was like tacking on Artsakh to Azerbaijan. And I say this as someone who likes the USSR! But,this tacking on of territories for no discernable reasons into SSRs that didn't have a similar population to me was a mistake.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I get it. I always regarded Besarabia as having kinda fuzzy borders. My great grandfather was a jew that grew up in a town next to the Dniester River, on the Moldovan side (north of Pridniestrovia), but I'm pretty sure I had a bunch of Jewish ancestors on the Ukraine side as well. I think of them all as Besarabian jews and just kind of squint at Moldova as approximate/close enough Besarabia. I never thought of the exact border location's eventual consequences for the more Russian facing slavs and Moldovans in the east. Interesting.

[–] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For what it's worth,I have Zaporozhye Cossack ancestry on my grandma's side,so I get that this region is a hodgepodge of peoples

But yes, Basarabia originally was just the Bugeac,which is now that bit that Ukraine has in the south,but even as it shifted,it never went past the Dniester

The Principality of Moldavia ended there and before Russia came it was mostly empty Tatar controlled land

Basarabia now is split between Moldova,the Ukrainian Bugeac and some territories in the north that were given to Ukraine that are now part of the Cernauti oblast, that was part of another historical region that Moldavia had,Bucovina, that now is split between Romania and Ukraine