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Researchers said they have noticed a particularly sharp downward trend in eastern Germany. A new report estimates almost 80,000 fewer children were born in 2022 and 2023 than would have been expected.

The [Ifo Institute for Economic Research](https://www.ifo.de/en/press-release/2024-10-23/ifo-dresden-number-births-germany-decreasing-drastically "External link


Ifo Institute for Economic Research") said in a new report released Wednesday that Germany is seeing a sharp decline in birth rates, with federal states in the east of the country the most affected.

Researchers at the leading economic think tank cited a number of reasons behind the declining birth rate, including the COVID-19 pandemic and the war in Ukraine.

Additionally, high inflation has prompted "young families to put off having children for the time being," said Ifo researcher Joachim Ragnitz.

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[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It might just be my personal experience, but I am German and my personal birth rate has been steady all my life.

To add anything of substance here, there's a good ol Kurzgesagt video on this. TLDW: Global phenomenon, hard to predict, just investing more money on parents and their needs has been tried and did not really work. Governments should still try to ease the burden of new parents because Jesus Christ they have it hard enough.

Somewhere else I heard that maybe our pessimistic look at the future is to blame and we should try to spread optimism more (or lay the foundation for a better future so people can actually be optimistic), but that's less well researched. Not least because optimism isn't easily quantifiable.

[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'd wager that the investment of paltry sums compared to the cost of raising a child while public preschools are filled to the brim and there's a lack of teachers and affordable after school facilities for parents to leave their kids probably has something to do with it. Luxemburg, for instance, is one of the wealthiest countries in Europe and parents there have to register kids for preschool when they're born to even get a chance at a spot.

I mean, sure, there's tax breaks for parents and if you're lucky, something like 200€ per child per month, depending on the country. That's ridiculously low. Salaries keep stagnating, the cost of living keeps increasing, and young adults basically have to work several internships for free to even get a chance at landing a half decent job and afford a one bedroom apartment. Meanwhile, the pandemic saw the richest people get even richer with their tax rebates and deductions upon rebates and deductions.

This is an economic issue, i believe, rooted in the progressive increase of wealth inequality in our society. It's just that the help being provided to parents is nowhere near enough. I want to be a dad, but i can't while wealth keeps being redistributed to millionaires while we get, what, a miniscule tax rebate and maybe a couple dozens to hundreds euros to afford ever skyrocketing rents anywhere there's a half decent paying job? This isn't the industrial ages where if half your kids didn't go to school, it's fine. The population will decrease until salaries that are in line with supporting children in a developed country start being a reality to the majority of the population.

And that Kurzgesagt video says young people prefer to travel and live life. Man, i wish i was traveling and going to concerts. I barely go anywhere since the pandemic and i have nowhere near the wealth required to even move to a 2 bedroom apartment, furnish a baby room and buy all the required knick knacks to raise a newborn child and i have a pretty decent income.

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Pessimism is definitely part of it. Homeownership here in the US is at an all time low and I blame that too. When renting, you're moving every few years and adding kids on top of that? Fuck that.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago

People are also more isolated and dating has never been more difficult for average people. Intimacy has been destroyed in our modern world

[–] griD@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We have one of the worst rates of home ownership in DE, compared to the rest of EU: Page is in german but the graph is pretty much self-explanatory.
But that can't be the sole reason, because the home ownership rates are actually better in the east than in the west. Hmm, during the Cold War, the former GDR actually had incredible child care. Even smaller companies were often required to have some sort of Kindergarten and other support for parents. Maybe this is still remembered by today's potential parents, and - like someone said ITT - parents have it hard enough already.

Fun fact: This was explained to me (in High School...) because "the enemy" wanted to indoctrinate children at a very young age because communism... I didn't even had to ask, that came immediately when the then GDR was discussed as part of the official curriculum.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fatalistic is the new Pessimistic. Inevitable climate ~~change~~ catastrophy and social inequality / fascism is on the rise.

Who the fuck would send his beloved and precious kids into that world.... I don't, I know it would break my heart imagining the suffering they face. (Same is true for your children too, that's why babies make me sad)