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"cis" I feel like it's an extra term for "straight". The "default" for lack of a better term (and one that isn't othering) is near the not trans & not gay part of the gender / sexuality spectra. To me everyone in that zone is "straight" (boring/default/whatever).
"begs the question" because people exclusively use it wrong. Just say "leads to the question" or "poses the question."
And I'm still really salty about everyone giving up on the term "literally" to allow it to mean its exact opposite.
cis and straight have clearly delineated meanings and are both useful terms. sounds like a you problem
What's your preferred term for "not trans"?
Apparently, just unspoken default/normal. You know, boomer-style solipsism.
They suggest that we use "straight" to mean both hetero and cis, and then use different terms for the "other" people.
When the richest manchild in the world
outright bans people from his "radical free speech" cryptofascist safe space for saying "cis," maybe it's not a good look to be that worked up about that particular prefix. 
The question was "what term annoys you" not "what term annoys you that you're sure Lemmy will approve of" (or that a malignant narcissist billionaire isn't also annoyed by).
I'm open to an explanation of a commonplace situation where it's necessary to have a separate word for "is of the gender that matches that assigned at birth."
To me it's like if I say I enjoyed the sunrise" and someone says, "you mean the Earth sunrise?"
I mean yeah, sunrises happen all over the solar system, there are different kinds of sunrises, probably all beautiful in their own ways, but in general the default "sunrise" a human is likely to be talking about is the one we experience on Earth.
Cis is just the opposite of trans. If some people are trans then it follows others are cis.
20 years ago you'd be pissing and whining about the use of heterosexual.
And we've used it for years for other words with the trans prefix, see Cisalpine versus transalipine gauls in roman history.
trans people existing is that "commonplace situation" you worthless fucking worm
cishets need mandatory re-education at a minimum. this one should just be shot.
Waste of a perfectly good bullet; they make deep holes in the earth for that
the ussr left us the kola superdeep borehole knowing we would one day fill it with the absolute worst garbage humanity would ever produce
because they loved us.
Because they so loved the world
Any time that you assume something is some vague obvious-to-you "normal" by default and insist that everyone else that isn't that "normal" requires a distinct identifier.
You sound like a typical boomer that describes the ethnicity of anyone except those the boomer otherwise sees as "normal."
You don't live light years away from trans people.
Do you not see the tiny bubble world you're perceiving everyone else from if you think "a human" by default is only perceiving your tiny bubble world and otherwise doesn't count?
In this example they, the CIS are human, and the non-cis is implied to be what? Non-human? This person sucks.
you suck
Sunrises on other planets are not a reality for anyone on Earth. The existence of trans people is.
Nowhere in that question does it say you are free from being criticized for your dumbshit worldview. It's a public forum, you write something, don't get surprised when people respond.
That's incredibly weird. To me it's like someone saying "I'm trans, and you?" And the other responding "I'm cis." Funny how that works.
See above. Also see: Whenever you need to classify yourself as cis-gender in any survey, form or likewise.
Chaser shit. Literally, "I need to be 'the default' so I can exoticize somebody else". You type like a cishet white.
There is a better term, it's 'cis'
whatever you say, cissie
What the fuck
I mean I shouldnβt be that shocked this is just the average cis persons internal rhetoric
Cis and straight are... Entirely different axes, though. How would you describe someone who is cis and gay, or trans and straight while applying "straight" to both sexual orientation and gender identity?
Dork cissie in SHAMBLES after conflating "cis" (gender matches that assigned at birth) and "straight" (attracted to the 'opposite' binary gender) to whine about how they are the DEFAULT and so the term annoys them.
There are plenty of cis gay folks. "Straight" just doesn't work if you're trying to describe non-trans people.
I find "cis" useful, personally. I'm bisexual, so certainly "straight" isn't applicable. In a lot of contexts I'd use "cis" to refer to myself, I suppose "not trans" would also work, but it'd be clunkier.
Plus, there are times when the thing I want to centre in my communication is the cisgender perspective that I have. For example, I was recently discussing with a friend that seeing trans friend's gender euphoria improved my own relationship to my gender because it made me ask myself whether cis people could experience gender euphoria and if so, why couldn't I recall any instances of experiencing it?
I feel like the term "cisgender" implicitly acknowledges that voices and experiences like mine are important in building a shared understanding of gender β i.e. trans people aren't the only ones who have a gender. Like, obviously I can't speak directly about trans experiences, but that doesn't mean that I'm expected to shut up and contribute nothing to the wider conversation.
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βCisβ is not an extra term for straight any more than βtransβ is. These terms have nothing to do with sexual orientation. If you can handle the word βstraight,β as opposed to βboring/default/whatever,β then you can also handle the word βcisβ by the same logic.